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Norway-jack said:
Well then if they are not naive why buy just the back legs of a race horse ??

your argument just falls down with that very statement , what billionaire on the planet would invest into half a championship team when he can easily buy it lock stock and 2 smoking barrells ???

Your saying they wont invest because the other side of the partnership wont invest? hmm.... <laugh>

sounds like an awesome deal, the mayalans drive the car but PMG select the gears.. <laugh>

Naive you said ???
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Don't know that the argument falls down. Who knows what the Malaysians intentions are! They may buy Guy et al out, but commercial deals are never that straight forward and the price has to be right.

Why would anybody spend money on increasing the value of something if half of that value goes in someone elses pocket for doing nothing. Simple business sense. I'm surprised you don't see that.

The Malasian and the Welsh owners are business partners.

Lets make up a scenario. CCFC is worth £30M as a liquidated asset owned 50:50. The Malasians invest a further £10M reducing the debt so the asset is now worth £40M. Both parties now have £20M of value. In effect the Malasians have given PMG £5M. (100p in the pound mind you, not 10p)

Don't be a muppet!
 
Ok i wont be a muppett, but most shrewd buisness people dont enter into these kind of deals in the first place do they ?? you used the word niave and thats exactly what it is. Why invest into a buisness deal where your the only one wanting to push the project forward and it can only move forward if both parties agree?

Why also charge 7% intrest to the club over a loan of 2-3m pounds , im still waiting for answers on that one, because it is just skiming the money off the top of the club in effect isnt it?

Why not buy a Leicster city instead? or an Everton ? or a Blackburn rovers? why would a billionaire buy half a race horse when he can buy the whole thing ? the only reason is because he stands to lose half the amount of money if the gamble goes wrong, and thats exactly what it is, a roll of the dice . They subsidise their outgoing by claiming the intrest payments on loans and the wages they pay themselves, all loaded onto the club. <laugh>

Naive indeed...second thoughts, maybe they are not..<laugh>
 
In your opinion :)

That is the difference here, it is impossible to know exactly what is going on. We have not been shown anything at this point to suggest that they will do wrong by us. But I do know a lot of Cardiff fans now do take more interest in these kinds of things and are anxious not to head backwards again. So based on that, it is impossible to say they are bad for the club.

Calling us naive based on an unproven assumption about a clubs whose financial situation is closely monitored, just means you think you know the whole story, when we admit we don't. The club would have a very good idea about TG and VT plans I am sure.

Like Huw, surely with two years pf PL money he can afford Siggy. He should stump up about 20 million over the summer, I assume. If he didn't then you would surely question his motives.
 
Its all about opinions Siam nothing else.

You say the club would have a very good idea about TG and VT plans but arnt you also making an unproven assumption by saying that ??

Thats the point Siam, every time you spin a positive i can spin a negative and the reason for that is because there is no transparency in the buisness dealings of your club. None of you really know if they are good for you but you choose to ignore the negative aspects when you should be asking searching questions.

Perfect example.

The whole idea of changing the club s name and colours in a re-branding exercise tells me there is nothing other than exploitation of ccfc by your owners, they are quite prepared to piss away 100yrs of History in search of the financial reward re branding can bring, MK Dons without the move, thats how far you guys have your head in the sand and most of you will be quite prepared to sacrifice the club to chase the money and the prem dream <ok>

Asking questions about Huw Jenkins is of course just there to deflect but i will answer.

In Huw we trust, plain and simple, the reason why is also plain and simple, people know him! he has followed the swans through thick and thin stood on the terraces for years and years and has black and white running through his veins , he is a 100% jack and he does what is best for the club nothing less. Thats the beauty of it all,we have a fan/fans in charge of our club who love it with all their heart. You have property speculators,fraudsters and gamblers running your club and every move you make is done to line somebodies pockets. <ok>
 
Norway-jack said:
You have property speculators,fraudsters and gamblers running your club and every move you make is done to line somebodies pockets.
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Fraudsters, please show where they have been convicted of or accused of fraud please. You hate the fact they saved us, and have done nothing wrong by the club so far. Just get over it mate. What next? You will call them the triads, murderers, etc... :)

I have never said they are the messiah, I still hold some reservations, but at this point it is an outright fabrication to suggest they are here to damage the club. Just wishful thinking from Swans actually.

That said, I live down here and have friends in Malaysia. He has a good community reputation, his son loves football, and he helps out local sporting clubs a lot. I know that means nothing as far as your concerend.

And if Huw doesn't spend big, and pockets all the cash...good for him. You will all bleat about his tight pockets come the end of next season if he does, like a lot of you were doing in your promotion season.

I like how you say it is all about opinions, and for every positive I make, you can make a negative. You then say that makes me deluded and you right...comedy gold :)

As for the re-branding, I will wait and see if it is actually true first. You take forums as gospel, I don't. :)

I will say this for you Norway, you make some outrageous statements, but you do it with an amazing amount of self-belief. Fun to read. A lot of bollocks, but fun to read! :)

I will move on from here because I know the reply already about dealing with criminals and being delusional, and all that predictable ho hum stuff that Norway pulls out.
 
Norway-jack said:
Its all about opinions Siam nothing else.

You say the club would have a very good idea about TG and VT plans but arnt you also making an unproven assumption by saying that ??

Thats the point Siam, every time you spin a positive i can spin a negative and the reason for that is because there is no transparency in the buisness dealings of your club. None of you really know if they are good for you but you choose to ignore the negative aspects when you should be asking searching questions.

Perfect example.

The whole idea of changing the club s name and colours in a re-branding exercise tells me there is nothing other than exploitation of ccfc by your owners, they are quite prepared to piss away 100yrs of History in search of the financial reward re branding can bring, MK Dons without the move, thats how far you guys have your head in the sand and most of you will be quite prepared to sacrifice the club to chase the money and the prem dream <ok>

Asking questions about Huw Jenkins is of course just there to deflect but i will answer.

In Huw we trust, plain and simple, the reason why is also plain and simple, people know him! he has followed the swans through thick and thin stood on the terraces for years and years and has black and white running through his veins , he is a 100% jack and he does what is best for the club nothing less. Thats the beauty of it all,we have a fan/fans in charge of our club who love it with all their heart. You have property speculators,fraudsters and gamblers running your club and every move you make is done to line somebodies pockets. <ok>
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You are treading on thin ice making libelous comments like this old son. If this was brought to the attention of the club you will be getting a knock on your door. It just shows how thick you really are. Safer to retract your statement.
 
I must apologise to little John Hughs as I believe some of my comments yesterday have upset him and he's sulking and won't talk to me.
Please believe me, little John, my suggestions were sincerely made and were intended to cure you of LLN. Please don't ignore me.

P.S If the Ralgex didn't arrive let me know and I'll send another one.
 
I can't understand why anyone would post such a thread. If you really want to converse with him, try a PM rather than post this crap.

Taking the piss is par for the course for JH, but at least he shows some imagination even if it hurts a bit over there. FFS, grow up you infantile twat!!

Phew, that's better...........<laugh>
 
Norway-jack said:
In Huw we trust, plain and simple, the reason why is also plain and simple, people know him! he has followed the swans through thick and thin stood on the terraces for years and years and has black and white running through his veins , he is a 100% jack and he does what is best for the club nothing less. Thats the beauty of it all,we have a fan/fans in charge of our club who love it with all their heart. You have property speculators,fraudsters and gamblers running your club and every move you make is done to line somebodies pockets.
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If Jenkins is such a Messiah and has followed and loved you for so long, where was he when the buckets were being passed around Ninian Park? If he'd bailed you out at 100p in the pound he'd have lost a lot of money. Better to let the club he loves so much go bust, pay 10p in the pound and buy them on the cheap. A business decision or for the love of the club? Who's pocket was he thinking of then, his or the honest men and women who lost out when you reneged on your bills.

I don't believe TG and VT are whiter than white and there is obviously something in it for them. It may be directly through the value of CCFC, as a by product in terms of periferal deals, we all know Tan has a sports wear company and a TV company through which he hopes to exploit 'his club', or it may be an ego trip so he can talk to his mates about his club. However, I do believe they are doing the honerable thing in paying their way and moving the club forward. If they benefit personally from the venture, good luck to them.
 
jax the ripper said:
I must apologise to little John Hughs as I believe some of my comments yesterday have upset him and he's sulking and won't talk to me.
Please believe me, little John, my suggestions were sincerely made and were intended to cure you of LLN. Please don't ignore me.

P.S If the Ralgex didn't arrive let me know and I'll send another one.
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Seems we have another bench warmer in the playground here ...........................<yikes>
 
John, this constant sniping is below even you. It appears you can dish it out but you can't take it, so you get your minders to do your dirty work for you. I can't be doing with this nonsense of yours. LLN.
 
'no transparency in the buisness dealings of your club'

then where do you get your information / garbage from NJ?
 
Oh my some seriously deluded folk on here i see..<laugh>

I never said TG tips and VT were fraudsters, so no court case coming my way there.... <laugh>

Billionaires who charge the club high intrest, sounds great ;)

The best laugh so far is the idea they want to change your History and identity !! and you are all bending over and dying to take it !! look forward to watch you playing in the same colours as your nearest rivals (Bristol city)...<laugh>

You really couldnt make it up..<laugh>

PS

Yes HJ was there in the inception of our Tony petty buyout, along with many un sung local heros, make no mistake when the red buckets get passed around the Liberty to save you i will put in money, it will be the least i could do for all the entertainment your badly run club has given us jacks over the years..<laugh>

Cardiff city (or is it the Dragons??) living in the Lower leagues for 50yrs <ok>
 
Norway-jack said:
Oh my some seriously deluded folk on here i see..<laugh>

I never said TG tips and VT were fraudsters, so no court case coming my way there.... <laugh>

Billionaires who charge the club high intrest, sounds great ;)

The best laugh so far is the idea they want to change your History and identity !! and you are all bending over and dying to take it !! look forward to watch you playing in the same colours as your nearest rivals (Bristol city)...<laugh>

You really couldnt make it up..<laugh>

PS

Yes HJ was there in the inception of our Tony petty buyout, along with many un sung local heros, make no mistake when the red buckets get passed around the Liberty to save you i will put in money, it will be the least i could do for all the entertainment your badly run club has given us jacks over the years..<laugh>

Cardiff city (or is it the Dragons??) living in the Lower leagues for 50yrs <ok>
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You old son are a fool if you are now denying the fraud comment you made earlier. It's there for all to see. How can anyone take you seriously from here on?
 
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