I dont know when Lewis will realise he cant just go around bashing into everyone this year! He just cant seem to keep his nose out of accidents! He is being even more careless and unpredictable than the rookie drivers! Look at how maturely Paul is driving! Lewis needs to take a leaf out of Jenson's book and make clean, calculated overtakes rather than hopeful, careless lunges at people. I completely sympathise with Massa after the race! Lewis does not use his brain.
Hamilton needs to learn from the other drivers. They don't pretend to be Senna and create a path of destruction in the process. Regardless of anything he might say about learning from mistakes, it's all rubbish because he keeps getting involved in incidents and that sort of repeated behaviour should not be tolerated by the FIA. This problem has continued for too long and it's about time something was done. If the penalties are having no effect on Lewis, the FIA should consider something else like a temporary race ban for dangerous driving. He is reckless, immature and a danger to others. It's good that safety has improved so much, otherwise I think Hamilton would be responsible for a couple of deaths, including his own.
When Brundle started to say "This is where he made contact with Webber last year", did anyone else immediately see what was going to happen before it did?
Ha! What a surprise to see a thread devoted to this and that it has already incited such wrath. I agree that Hamilton made an error of judgement but when one compares the actual incident with others of the type this season, few have resulted in penalties. Yes, he made a small error but it was certainly not reckless or pre-meditated. Massa was unlucky to get a puncture but really it was what is known in the trade as a 'racing incident'. By way of comparison, I think Schumacher's 'launch control' incident was at least as worthy of a penalty; it also being an error of judgement but in a place where he had nowhere to go even if he'd avoided contact. Hamilton's was simply a result of turning in too early, thinking he was slotting in behind Massa.
Nothing reckless with Hamilton today. A bit clumsy and very unfortunate for Massa but that's it. What next are they gonna enforce the "three second rule" in F1? Rediculous
Moronic thread by a Hamilton hater. I'm a Hamilton fan but unlike Hamilton fanboys I will give him criticism when he deserves it. Today's incident involving Lewis was a mere racing incident and was in no way obvious in any offence. There was nothing Lewis did wrong in the incident I feel. I thought Massa's reaction was fairly bitter and clearly arose largely from previous tusslings they've had together. Today was just the spark which caused Massa's sarcasm episode which was uncalled for I feel. Those calling for race bans and feeling that Lewis should have been penalised more are bitter idiots who have to get real. Get real and develop a balanced unbiased opinion on these matters otherwise your opinion will just be laughed off as the jokes they are.
I dont see why Hamilton got a penalty, it was a racing incident. He didnt turn into him on purpose, he just followed the racing line, and didnt realise Massa was gunna be there. It was no different to what Rosberg did to Perez though. that was a lack of judgement, it could have been worse if Nico pulled out at the last moment, but still, as EJ, said in the forum, it was exactly the same as the Hamilton 'incident' which was a racing incident. I cant believe though that people like the OP are so blinded by their hatred to Lewis, that after a slight tap, that many people have done since these new front wings were introduced, see to forget how unprofessional Massa was after the race. Its insane how the same people that criticised Lewis for the same behave in Monaco dont criticise Massa for this. They less constistent that the MotoGP stewards let alone the F1 stewards
It appeared to me to be a misjudgement of spatial awareness as opposed to going for a gap that didn't exist (ie. monza 2010) or an attempt to ram Massa out of his path.
It was different though; Hamilton caused Massa a puncture which affected his race while Rosberg just banged wheels with Perez that was all. Mistakes are as bad as the results they cause and Hamilton's mistake produced a worse result than Rosberg's and was penalised accordingly.
I think the circumstances were because of the following factors: - unnessasary move into felipe as the pre attempt didnt work - It was a Ferrari he messed with =P - it was on a street circuit - boiling tentions from yesterday - It gave Phillipa a puncture that wrecked his race I think the penalty was right and the comentators agree with that (except for EJ but he likes to have the opposit opinion just to WUM) The problem is the consistancy of FIA desicions.
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I thought apart from that mistake he was great today considering he made 3 pits and had a drive through, he still finished 5th and to come through the pack on a street circuit was brilliant. I admit he has had a poor year but everybody does. Mclaren need to build him a championship winning car and the same for Button because Mclaren don't deserve them at the moment. Don't forget that Hamilton claimed 4 poles and 2 wins in a dog of a car in 2009. He has the ability but at the moment he is being let down by the team.
In no way was it a racing incident,, the rule is "causing an avoidable accident" a racing incident involves both parties being at fault, was Massa in any way responsible for his puncture NO was Lewis responsible YES 100% could Lewis have avoided contact YES easily. why should other drivers keep on suffering for Hamilton's continued recklessness? Did Lewis deserve a penalty YES in fact the penalty was too lenient but a drive thru is the only penalty they can hand out for this infringement of the rules.
I meant no different in that it was a racing incident. What I dont understand though is Hamilton pitted for a new wing, served his penalty, and still managed to finish fifth, and managed to maintain the gap to Alonso afterwards, but Massa couldnt drop it after the race. Surely Massa could have done the same? we know Alonso is better than him, so Hamilton may have caught up with him if the Ferrari's were reversed, so that takes out the fact that Mclaren are stronger through the second part of the race. Hamilton had to clear the same train of cars twice to get to where he was, but Massa could only get close to getting by half of them. It seems Massa's head dropped way too early after the incident, when he should have carried on, flat out, and sort it out after the race. Only getting 9th shows to me that he did worse than what he could have done so it gives him more ammo against Hamilton in the interview
Hamilton needs to have more awareness of other drivers around him. These incidents have been far too common this year. He has a more aggressive style as opposed to Button's more calculated approach. You don't want to take it out of him too much as I think the sport would be poorer for it. Hamilton in full flow can be a joy to watch, he just needs to learn to take more notice of whats happening around him and time his overtakes a little more carefully.
Do you seriously think that every bit of contact should lead to a penalty? It sounds like that :/ Because you can always argue it was possible to avoid it. He wasn't going for a move that wasn't there, he just misjudged the space between them. I have been a huge critic of Hamilton but he is nowhere near doing something that calls for that penalty today. If he is, then it is wrong in the rules. Maybe we should only allow them to race one at the time at the track? It's the only way to avoid racing accidents between two cars.
Hamilton did three stints on the option tyre and two on the primes, while Massa did three on the primes and two on the options so that would of helped, plus the Mclaren was faster than the Ferrari. I really really really doubt Massa tried to to badly just to have a go at Hamilton.
I don't think Massa would agree with you or Maldenardo or koby or Jenson or Alonso or webber, or schumacher.. hang on who hasn't he crashed into this year?
If they were side by side and they contacted then I would think that was fine and a racing incedent (Rosberg-Perez) but Hamilton was behind and turned into Phillipa and wreked another drivers race which did call for a penalty sadly. didnt this happen in aus with button?
So should we penalize every contact in every race? Pretty much any collision is avoidable by one party involved. It's racing... people lose there wings or other bits of car from time to time, in fact you'll see it in just about every race but not all go punished, and honestly, they really shouldn't penalize every single accident that occurs and nor should they pick and choose which ones are punishable. It was small error of judgment and it was unfortunate that Massa suffered a puncture because of it, but Hamilton also suffered the self imposed penalty of having to trudge around with half a wing and make another stop. It's incredible that what really is a relatively minor incident can bring out the torch and pitchforks. You don't have to like Hamilton, but blimey, ease off on the fire and brimstone people.
