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Angel Rangel

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by trundles left foot, May 10, 2012.

  1. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    I see he has declared himself available for England. I believe this is down to him being able to claim dual nationality. So is he not available to Wales or are they not good enough for him. (not that i want any more in the welsh squad).

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/319204/
     
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  2. Scottswan

    Scottswan Active Member

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    If you are a foreign national who has completed the necessary amount of time in the UK, you can select which home nation you want to play for. Sadly, it seems he doesn't want to play for Wales! Quite gutted to be honest, he ended up with 30 caps for Wales on my Footie Manager a few years ago...
     
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  3. swantastic

    swantastic Well-Known Member

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    He`d have a much bigger chance playing for Wales than engerlands clique imo ?
     
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  4. Cherry Jack

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    I think he would struggle to get in ahead of Micah Richards and Kyle Walker and whatnot.
     
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  5. swantastic

    swantastic Well-Known Member

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    I suppose Spurs & Man c players are rated higher than ours at the mo ! <grr>
     
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  6. Scottswan

    Scottswan Active Member

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    It's mad, isn't it? Think about it... Neil Taylor, Ash, and Rangel in the back four for Wales?! We'd be rocking! Joey in midfield with Rambo, couple more players and that's a more than decent side...
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    dont believe in this rubbish of foreign born players getting to play for any of the home nations just because they have been here a number of years, it makes the whole national pride a mockery.....
     
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  8. ivoralljack

    ivoralljack Well-Known Member

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    Bit annoyed by this to be honest. He plays for Swansea which is a Welsh club that gave him his chance over here; he lives in Wales and I think that this smacks of glory hunting. If he wants to play international football, the sad fact is that he would have a far better chance of playing for Wales than England.

    Now, an opinion that some on here will feel is contentious. I believe that he will have his hands full next season retaining his Swansea place let alone challenging for international honours. As an attacking full back he is good but I became more and more concerned as the season progressed about his defensive abilities. The guy just lacks the pace to be a top player at this level and I feel that he is going to be well and truly targeted in the critical second season.

    Of course he's done ok for us but no better than that; and yes, we miss him when he's not playing but that's because we have no one who can come in and do a better job. If Curtis Obeng has anything about him then he should be gunning for Rangel's place next season because it is there for him if he steps up. Obeng has pace to burn and he must have decent ability if he was at Man City in his youth.

    I've always been a Rangel fan but when things went off the boil I started looking at games with a hypercritical eye. Rangel's partnership with Dyer always seemed a potent attacking threat for us but it diminished in quantity and quality as the season wore on. Those tight triangles on the right hand side became looser by the game and one of the reasons was Rangel's reluctance to commit too far forward in case of a break.

    It was obvious to me why. Teams knew that if they broke us down there and then attacked down Rangel's flank, he would take an age to get back. I have clips on my pvr which show this over and over, where the other team is attacking at speed and Rangel, although running at full tilt, appears as though he is running on deep sand as opposed to flat grass. He just hasn't got the pace.

    Of course he has other attributes but I do see him as a weak link at times in this particular context, and I feel that this is going to be exploited more and more next season. Feel like a traitor, really, because I've always liked Rangel but there's no denying that he is going to have to somehow up his game next season, along with others, if we are to survive. And yes, I do know that you either have pace or you don't - it can't be acquired. And that's what worries me.
     
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  9. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    Don't know what the fuss is about. He won't get near the England team and he's too slow for international football even if he chose San Marino.
     
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  10. MabonJack

    MabonJack New Member

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    Ivor he has as much chance of playing for the saes as i have of becoming President of the United States of America
     
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  11. ivoralljack

    ivoralljack Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, lads, but it's the fact that he WANTS to play for England rather than Wales that gripes. Do you think I was too harsh on him regarding his performances for us?
     
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  12. MabonJack

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    Ivor you were spot on and very fair in your assessment as i see it, tbh with you i would be more annoyed if he chose Wales, suffice to say i don't agree with this residency business, your either Welsh or not and if your not you should not be able to play for our great nation or any other than your own, just my opinion.


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  13. Terror ball

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    I totally agree Ivor, very good analysis (I also feel guilty for saying that as he has been so important to us and we couldn't have stayed up without him...but, then, he hasn't shown much loyalty to the country his kids will call home has he)
     
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  14. Kifflom!

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    Not sure about these rules. My family all have dual citizenship with Australia and my son was a talented goalkeeper. Had we stayed in Oz it's only right that he could have chosen to play for them instead of Wales. [As it turns out the Welsh FA set up was so bad when we came back he became disillusioned and walked away].

    Seems weird for someone who came here as an adult solely for the purpose of his employment though.
     
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  15. MabonJack

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    Knack hasn't he married a Welsh girl, maybe he has decided to stay here for good?


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  16. swanee

    swanee Well-Known Member

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    Was`nt it Alfredo Di Stefano who played for 3 countries? Argentina, Hungary & Spain. Not sure on that, perhaps the regulations/rules have changed sonewhat over the years.
     
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  17. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    fair assessment in all honesty , at the start of the season the majority of our threat going forward was on the right but since his injury when Jazz stepped in he's been ok but on few occasions has been left wanting in his defensive play .He must have his reasons for picking ingerland over us but little chance of his dream being reaiised
     
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  18. swanseaandproud

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    agree mabon ...you should only play for the country you were born in with a few exceptions. i.e forces abroad, holiday abroad and born premature and if one parent is welsh and the other english then he/she can play for either, welsh mother english father and born in england then england is the country, where exceptions can be made is ..i e welsh mother english father living in scotland and then he/she has a choice of three uk countries. all these players that cant get into their own national sides who use this nonsense of residence to play for another country is all wrong and makes a mockery of international football....
     
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  19. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    He's not allowed to play for England unless he has English parents or grandparents. No matter how long he's lived in the UK.

    Or that is the impression I got from Arteta?
     
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  20. Scottswan

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    As far as I'm aware, my first response is correct. Arteta has represented Spain at some level hasn't he? Maybe it's something to do with that. Like I say, I think if you do the 5 years or whatever it is, you can then pick what home nation you play for. Rangel has lived and played in Wales, so surely that must be the case if he thinks he's eligible for England?
     
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