And Jagielka heads it away - report Tuesday, 24th Mar 2015 22:53 by Clive Whittingham QPR slipped to a tenth defeat in 11 matches on Sunday, losing to a tired Everton side at Loftus Road. Relegation now seems almost certain for Rangers. Another defeat, the tenth in the last eleven matches, means Queens Park Rangers are now surely Championship bound. Requiring five wins from their final nine games to at least post a target for others to chase, a home loss to a tired Everton side that had been humbled in Kiev just three days previous has the writing firmly on the wall. Similar setbacks in the next two matches, away at West Brom and Aston Villa – who Rangers once had designs on catching – and the demotion will be all but confirmed. More positive results, you feel, may only prolong the agony. It's the hope that kills you, as we've said so often on these pages, and after every single result went for Rangers on Saturday this one depressed more than most. Of greater concern than a crucial nail going into the coffin lid was the quality of the match overall. If, as now seems certain, the R's are to be playing in the second tier next season it's a great worry that with so much riding on it, with supposed Premier League quality players who presumably won't be here next season at their disposal, they were unable to win, or even draw, a game of distinctly Championship standard. Everton were poor. They've been poor all season. The main stand at Goodison Park, onto which the club painted a huge mural of manager Roberto Martinez back in August, now bears graffiti slating the team's performances. They were fourteenth at the start of play and they're in line for their worst league season since a seventeenth-placed finish in 2004. please log in to view this image Read the rest of this article here... http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...news/38243/and-jagielka-heads-it-away--report Swords, unless you can refrain from commenting on this piece unless it's of course constructive, I shall ask you not to do so. Clive reads these comments, and has mentioned our board in a bad light on the last two podcasts. I personally feel that Clive deserves a certain amount of respect for his efforts to enlighten us on his views towards our team and club however others may perceive them. I do respect that the boards opinions are in jest and bare no personal malice towards Clive, however I strongly feel that his proffering's should be taken in the context intended and not to take the piss out of for the sake of doing so.
Disagree nines. If someone puts an opinion on the Internet then surely they have to be prepared for criticism of their work, both positive and negative?
Fair point but not persistent non-constructive criticism surely. I must admit I am biased because I am a fan of Clive's work and always look forward to his match report and observations.
As for the report, I think it's spot on. The hoof to zamora isn't working. We looked far more threatening with clever players in behind Austin and that means playing 4-2-3-1. I don't agree that our defence is premier league quality although he's right that our ridiculously open system leaves them totally exposed.
Colin's match reports are a lot better imo Clive's are very boring and far too long... It's very yesterday but I respect he has a great set of readers so good luck to him I often find too many words used to describe often a poor understanding of the actual game No doubt Clive's are brilliantly written in the eyes of a writer but lack real soul like Colin puts into his imo Forums blogs and the Internet are still evolving at a far more progressive manner than traditional writers ... Look at how football pundits now behave a new industry just talking crap ... Anyone can do that look at our board But crap is fun and the new entertainment look at the originality of source on here and they do it all for nothing without ego .. It's fresh and it's freedom I find it difficult not with CW may I add but journalists in general awful people who attempt to make money and influence people ... It's one thing that the UK is dreadful about and that's why I like this place with reports from Col and others It's all about soul and it can't be copied or invented and that's why it fails The football fan is the blood of the sport and can express themselves .... Blood suckers who feed on that aren't my favourites CW is locked into a writing style but that's his fault and they are always predictable imo
Agreed Nines. It might have been "charming" in the beginning, but it's become tedious of late. It looks as though Swords has taken it onboard, good on him. This line summed us up for me: "At one point, around November, Zamora 's presence gave QPR a valuable outlet and an asset capable of troubling Premier League defences. Now it makes them predictable, and it makes them lazy." I said after the game that the hoof ball tactics was attroucious, and questions needs to be asked of what actually goes on at the training pitch. Knocking it long could be forgiven had we been up against a high pressing team putting our defenders under pressure. But they weren't under any pressure, Onouha, badly lacking in football skills, often used 4-8 touches before lumping it long. No outlets other than the long ball. Play one up front and the temptation of hitting it long might not be as big. It was embarrassing to watch and based on the way we go about our business we deserve no more than relegation. Regarding the ratings I think they were generous on the likes of Onuoha and Yun, if Caulker and particular Isla was a 6 then Onuoha and Yun should have been no more than a 5. I've been reading Clive's reports for more than ten years and they still rank as one of the highligts with being an R. In the dark days in league one they were a ray of light. Even my mates who aren't even QPR supporters enjoyed reading them on a regular basis. They were funnier in the past, with lots of dark humour. Lately Clive has become more "proffesional", I guess it comes with the territory of his job commitments, I miss his more dark wits of the past. They still make for great reading and as match reports go there are no one better imo.
Agree re opinions mate but swords tedious stock answer of ooh isn't it long was more dull in only a few words. I like the reports and those that don't like them purely on length don't have to read them! If they take issue with something within then no problem debate it as a difference of opinion. That is what the forum is for. I think 9's was referring to swords stock answer in this case and I agree.
I thought his report on the Palace game was poor, an over dramatic saga made from a few facts selected to fit his negative take on everything. This one was a lot better, with a decent commentary on what happened on the park . I agree entirely with him on the benefits of playing 4 2 3 1. I find it sad that a seemingly smart bloke like CR played that hoofball 4 4 2 again Sunday.
Nines it looks like your idea has backfired because in response to your order, people are discussing the very issue you asked them not to. I'm blue in the face from advising Mods about over-modding being counterproductive but I might as well be talking to Jude the Cat. The policy brings about precisely the opposite response it sets out to restrict! As for Clive, I've drawn him on here before and he engaged with us all but wouldn't take the advise offered. That's his prerogative. But I don't know why a guy would continuously go out of his way to read comments about his articles when he knows some of them will be negative. Besides, if you print articles for public consumption how can you expect not to receive criticism? Every journalist, amature or otherwise, knows this. Ironically, I didn't comment on the last piece nor was I going to this one until the Mod decided to practice a bit of censorship!!
Swords I think you'll find it's your stock answer to that was the problem....funny at first then it got tedious as per several responses above....This is not over modding as you put it just a bit of friendly advise. If you have something constructive to say then say it even if it is negative about the article as I agree that if someone puts something in the public domain it is open to all comments, positive and negative.
That sounds cool Tramo but its a lot different to what Nines said which was basically don't slag Clive or his articles off, just speak positively about them:
Oh for the love of God let it go and stop digging! I'm sure 9's can defend himself but he clearly says in what you yourself have reposted not to say anything unless constructive. Constructive can be both negative or positive and part of debate. Inane throw away comments that offer nothing are not constructive, it's very simple!
Au contraire Mr 74, au contraire. Think about it. This Board is repeatedly being mentioned on a Podcast that has a wide listenership. We will therefore attract a number of curious people of whom some will eventually become regular posters. There's no publicity like bad publicity my friend. In the past I've attracted Clive Whittingham, Dave McIntyre and Paul Finney to this Board. Granted it was because I was mugging them all off but if I wasn't they wouldn't have come. I'm giving this Site the kind of advertisement money can't buy but instead of being congratulated for it, I'm being rubbished by all and sundry! Something's seriously wrong somewhere, '74. It don't make no sense
My post has nothing to do with Modding or censorship. It was a simple request, no more no less. You or anyone else can choose to ignore it as you see fit and post what you like. It wasn't an order.
I'm a fan of Clive's and always look forward to his report. It's well written and in this latest example he's hit several nails on the head: Our vulnerability to counter attack which might be less pronounced if we played 4-2-3-1. Like Clive, I believe our defence does have both quality and potential but we leave it too exposed by employing 4-4-2. Most EPL teams use 4-2-3-1 but we are stuck in a time warp. The use of OBZ as a foil for Charlie is past its sell-by date and makes us lazy, predictable, boring and ineffective. The positive impact of Adel Taarabt when he was belatedly brought on. The poverty of the Everton performance, only surpassed by our own (Barton excluded).
