Please read the following thread for draft No 2 please post comments below. http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...y-to-respond?p=5216256&viewfull=1#post5216256 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I initially posted this in the Cornelius thread but thought it best be a stand alone thread. I am more than happy to just ban folk and give no explanation but the inbox fills up pretty quickly. If people understand there is no discussion when a card is issued and don't complain I will change my name to Gherkin... so that won't happen will it. The problem is the mods (on all boards) have different tolerance levels, as do all posters, and we will always be more lenient with our own whether it is a concious decision or not. I still believe the yellow/red cards should remain, in all honesty I thought it a relatively simple policy. A yellow is a warning (not a ban) and the red is a temp ban. I had amended the rules and regs (link below) slightly during the course of the day as folk were becoming more pedantic so ask you all to review them and let me know if you wish them to remain in place or do away with the rule book. Either way I am not overly fussed as you cannot please everyone. I do prefer the democratic approach. This only applies to Cardiff posters. Any comments from other posters, however well intentioned, will be deleted without further comment. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/221801-Please-read-board-rules-and-expectations
For what my opinion is worth I think the card system is a good thing but the bans have to be longer as 48hrs is neither here nor there. I also think that anyone coming back off a red card should only be allowed 2 posts per thread (particularly visitors to this forum) as this will stop arguments and rehashed wums from growing into another binned thread I know some wums will use this to their own ends but it may help threads stay on topic too Only an idea
All ideas from Cardiff posters are welcome Blueturk. The appraoch the supermods use is the easiest to manage but also the easiest to get wrong. Personally I do not like banning but it does seem the only option in certain cases.
Keep the cards......but dont allow any discussion.......our friends down west prefer the arguments about cards to good honest footie chat.
Taff! I think the yellows should either be scrapped or the time period lengthened to a week. Reds are fine but as a last resort. It still seems unfair that a poster posting on their own board is banned from the site when a visitor can post garbage on another teams site and simply continue unabated to gloat about it on their own. You recently overturned some yellows I believe because it was the new season. Is this the only occasion this will happen or will there be other exceptions?
Agreed Bobby, extending the length of the ban is fair - 24/48 hours is a non-event to many. A week is a good start for the first offence, but don't dish it out for minor infractions, that would be a slippery slope and could destroy even genuine banter. The "yellow" warning thing is just a tangible evidence in graphic form that a poster has been warned - I don't see any problem with that. As far as banning one of our own on here, he's had it coming for a long time and sorry, but he got what he deserved. On the other hand, the jack visitors have got away with murder over here in the past and they need to be dealt with. I particularly dislike the type who posts provocative comments disguised as reasoned points of view on threads just to get a reaction. Then they run back to their board and laugh up their sleeves on threads like a bunch of St. Trinian's schoolgirls. Some are just two faced, but the worst of them have more facets than a ****ing chandelier.
I would just get rid of the persistent troublemakers from down west etc, Dragonphiljack is just a pest and offers nothing to any thread, he would be at the top of my list.
Have no problem extending the warning to a week. I don't recall rescinding any warnings but so many discussions went on I really can't remember. No bans were over-turned that I am aware of. JH pushed his agenda to the limit and I issued a red which in the current format would have been a 24-48 hour ban. BRB read his posts and has given him a ban until further notice, absolutely of his own volition. Totally agree about certain Swans and what they post on their board but it is not our remit to police other boards to see what they have written about us. We have to view it at face value on here.
Taff You've done a great job in very difficult circumstances. I like the card system as it is clear where a poster stands if they misbehave. The difficulty will be in determining what is reasonable banter and what is an unacceptable step beyond that. Brb got it wrong with Mabon yesterday but he wasn't to know that we get on well with Mabs and no one saw anything wrong in his bantering post. As our mods you and Sheep will have a much better handle on individual posters and we trust you to get it right. I will go with the others in endorsing longer bans if needed. However, I would keep the yellow as it constitutes a final warning before a ban. if a poster does not heed that then he/she deserves whatever they get. Mind you there is nothing to stop a straight red being given where deserved. Keep up the good work!!!
Hey Taff - I'm not suggesting for one minute that we should police their board or what they write on it - that's an absolute matter for them. All I'm saying is that as it's an open forum, we can all see what some of them post and then come across here like little innocent hurt children when someone on here has a pop at them. Some of them set the bar in the double standards stakes. I realise it depends what they say on here, but sometimes we need to read between the lines.
No Sparks I know you weren't, I was just putting it out there so folks understand how the mod has to view things. Double standards was an accusation laid at our door many a time by certain Swans in the miss-guided belief we did not read their boards. As an example, a lot of them insist the Swans are not obsessed with everything Cardiff but two threads created last night about the where they were in the table after the Newcastle game and a thread on the game became about Cardiff! A thread the other week about Newport was turned into an anti-Cardiff rant within 5 posts! A by product of the garbage over the weekend is double standards can no longer be used as a weapon in their arsenal. In future any thread that any of them deem anti Swansea and they complain will get short shrift from me, they laid the foundations and they will reap what they have sown. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/225450-Man-city-v-Newcastle http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/225472-Hooray!-We-re-not-bottom-of-the-league!
This is a public message board and the Cardiff City Forum is merely a sub-folder of the message board. All visitors are welcome to come here and enjoy a lively football debate. All we ask is you treat others in the manner you would like to be treated and show mutual respect for fellow posters. The following guidelines apply to all posters visiting the Cardiff City message board. To avoid any confusion or doubt the following are not acceptable (in no particular order): Personal insults to fellow posters or references to any posters family members Racial abuse/comments Homophobia Repeated attempts to take threads off topic *Baiting/Bullying tactics If a comment is deemed to have contravened any of the above, or is deemed inappropriate by the moderators, a single warning will be issued in the form of a yellow card. If any further violations (of any of above) occur in any thread on the Cardiff city forum, within the cooling off period, a red card will be awarded. *Calling for bans on a public forum will be deemed baiting and will result in a warning. By all means pm the moderators of an offending post and attach a link to the offending post. Please bear in mind forum moderators are not on the forum 24/7 and it may take some time to adjudicate and action a complaint. Yellow cards (warning not a ban) last for a period of approximately 7 days. Red cards (a Cardiff city forum ban) last for a period of approximately 7 days. Repeat offenders will receive a longer ban or in extreme cases a permanent ban. The moderators will not enter into a discussion about the merits of a warning or a ban. Not knowing or not having read this thread is not a defence. Do not post any objection to a yellow card (warning) on any thread as it will only prolong your pain and result in an immediate ban. Do not pm the moderator regarding a warning or ban, it will go straight into the trash bin. The moderators are aware of posters double standards and hypocrisy however, as Cardiff city moderators our remit is to monitor this board. Any posts from rival fans must be taken at face value and the guideline applied accordingly. In these instances I would suggest contacting the super-mods via the report post option in the thread and notify them of the offending posts on the rival board. They will take action and they do not use the yellow and red cards. NOTE: Please be aware if you are a CCFC member, a CCFC board ban is automatically a full site ban. This is the way the site program is set up and not an arbitrary ruling. Regards BlueSheep Taff the Fish
I'm certainly in favor of longer sentences, offenders will think twice. Happy with the guidelines you've proposed However, I feel the Swans are on good behavior because they know the supermod is keeping an eye on proceedings and JH and DJ are banned. How are we going to prevent this repeating in the future? It has the potential to kick off as soon as a Jack posts and one of them is unbanned?
It will always kick off and the difficulty is managing it. I think by stating no discussion will be entered into will help. However, if there is then a flash-mob type scenario then I would deem that provocative and may well be an immediate ban as the yellow card will be ineffective. I have requested DJ ban be lifted earlier this evening.
As for Yellow & red cards, if we ask the super mods to stop all posting between Cardiff & Swansea I think the problem will be fixed. Only an Idea
Gransha, It is in the thread where I red carded JH but essentially he was being abusive. He was then banned by brb. Your idea about banning all Swans will be the tip of the iceberg and if you want to rasie that with the supermods by all means do so. It would not have my backing. This is a public forum after all.
ITI, I will request it be lifted Thursday evening. It was a supermod that banned him over and above what we apply.
