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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Red Hadron Collider, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. Skylarker

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  2. KingPepeReina.

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    Theres a difference.
    Kuyt is like Diego Forlan. a feed on scraps striker. He does his best work when there is no thinking involved and its based on reaction. Aguero and Suarez as someone else said carve open their own openings and if there is a rebound the likes of Forlan or Kuyt will gobble them up.
    In other words, Kuyt is a poacher. As I said earlier Suarez or Aguero can only partner poachers or target-men. They cannot partner each other as they are too alike.
     
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  3. Skylarker

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    Fair comment KPR <ok>
     
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  4. suarezlfc

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    He's a bit of a victim of circumstance unfortunately. Had we waited until this summer window to find another striker, we may have got someone different in, or him for cheaper.
    With only a few hours of the window left, we needed someone who was based in England (so they could get here and have a medical), young, and with a lot of potential. Can't really think of anyone besides him.
    Weirdly, the Mirror called it the day before. Think it was a fluke though.
     
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  5. Skylarker

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    Yeah i know all that and ive heard it a million times - It doesn't answer the fact that so far he has been very disappointing.

    I do like Carroll to a certain extent, but his touch is terrible, got no pace, bad awareness, very sloppy, et etc. I know he's young and needs time, and im sure he'll turn out OK - i honestly don't think he will reach the heights some people think though.
     
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  6. KingPepeReina.

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    Getting someone in different over the summer?
    Well thats easy on paper.
    There is things to consider.
    Two options.
    Option A.
    Liverpool go looking for a young goal-poacher to play alongside Suarez. Can anyone think of any names? Liverpool in January bid for Mario Gomez...it was rejected.
    Option B
    A young target man.
    Theres two names and Liverpool bid for both,one had premiership experience, the other didn't, these were Fernando Llorente and Andrew Carroll.
    Their second bid for the latter was accepted.
    I think you may find Liverpool did explore every option.
    Its actiually very foolish to say otherwise.
     
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  7. Chris.

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    Positivity is key Skylarker!

    Andy can't change the price tag which we paid for him and I suspect that might have put extra pressure on him. I'm positive that, with time, he will be an excellent striker for us. The things you have mentioned can be worked on in training and he will improve those aspects of his game.

    I fancy him to get a goal against Arsenal on Saturday! :D
     
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  8. Skylarker

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    Yeah i do agree Chris - i guess im just disappointed that we spent £35 mil on a player that clearly needs work.

    He will get us plenty of goals and i have faith that Kenny et al will get the best out of him.
     
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  9. Chris.

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    At the end of day, the fee was probably based on the fee we got for Torres. If we hadn't got as much for Torres, we wouldn't have paid as much for Carroll.

    The fees we paid for Carroll and received for Torres were one-off events and probably won't happen again.

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  10. Skylarker

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    Yeah true - and we got the better deal to be honest!

    I'm just in a negative mood so don't worry come Saturday i'll be shouting my support <ok>
     
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  11. good kop red kop

    good kop red kop Active Member

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    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the mechanism for the deal with Chelsea was the cost of acquiring Carroll, plus £15m, for Torres?? I might be wrong... GKRK.
     
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  12. Bozz

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    The money paid for these players is hugly different when you count wages. Carroll is on £80k while Aguero is on £200k, please do not be blinded by the fees alone.

    Aguero fee inc wages £87,000,000
    Carroll fee inc wages £55,000,000

    Agero is 2 years older and his goal/game ratio is 1 goal in ever 2.3 ganes while Carrolls is 1 goal in every 2.9 games.

    based on these stats Carroll is likely to score 13 league goals this season while Aguero is likely to score 16 goals. Now with this in mind... is Aguero really worth the extra £32m when he'll only score an estimated 15 more goals then Carroll in the next 5 years?

    I don't think so... Especially when you consider we already have a better striker of his type in our team in the form of Suarez
     
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  13. Skylarker

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    Very true about the wages Bozz - in a sense that's the biggest part of the deal. And something I tend to overlook sometimes!
     
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  14. Obertan's Rancid Toe

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    When Carroll is fit he is a ****ing battering ram, nothing can stop him.

    He is nowhere near his best at the minute but will be come January I reckon.

    and btw Bozz Suarez isn't as good as Aguero <whistle>
     
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  15. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Agreed,we only see what the clubs want us to see ;ie the total amount of money exchanged between the clubs,but the finer details like wages,agents fees,bonuses.get out clauses etc are kept in the dark until the player wants his agent to manipulate a move for him.
     
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  16. Salah's-left-foot

    Salah's-left-foot Well-Known Member

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    Yep.

    Personally I understand how Skylarker feels because at that time the fees weren't inflated so much. When you spend £20million+ you expect players who can create out of nothing so-to-speak, Carroll is a target man, different.

    Personally I admired Carroll before we signed him but never really looked into him or his abilities. I knew he was a threat in the Prem and when Tottenham reportedly made a £26million bid the day before we signed him I was shocked but felt it was sort of 'right'ish.

    Why? Darrent Bent is a poacher and is guaranteed to score, he left Sunderland for £18million + £8million in add-ons.

    Football's changed and inflation plays its part. I always use the Torres + £15million = Carroll equation to put myself at ease.

    Or the Torres + Babel = Suarez + Carroll (Well, of course that is wrong because the latter is much better)

    Or this -
    Berbatov - £32million
    Bent - £24million
    Shevchenko - £30million
    Robinho - £32million
    Adebayor - £25million
    Rooney - £30million

    Just some players who either wouldn't command a high fee normally (Bent), in similair situations (Rooney - Young, potential) or didn't do well (Robinho, Shevchenko)
     
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  17. Bozz

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    I'm sure I could pull up some stats to counter that but the truth is, you're probably right there <ok>.

    I'm a Liverpool fan, it's my duty to be sligtly delusional
     
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  18. suarezlfc

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    Over their entire club careers:

    Suarez has scored 143 goals in 243 games (0.59 goals/game).
    Aguero has scored 127 goals in 291 games (0.44 goals/game).

    Suarez's best seasonal return is 49 goals in 48 games (1.02 goals/game), and this is also his highest total goals.
    Aguero's best seasonal return is 27 goals in 41 goals (0.66 goals/game), and this is his joint highest total goals.

    But owing to differences in the accepted difficulty of the leagues each player has played in (La Liga > Eredivisie) it's perhaps more accurate to compare their totals in both Continental competition - better opposition - and internationally, and this is where it gets freakishly close:

    Suarez has 17 goals in 37 games in Continental competition (0.46 goals/game).
    Aguero has 19 goals in 40 games in Continental competition (0.48 goals/game).

    Suarez has 21 in 48 international caps (0.44 goals/game).
    Aguero has 13 in 30 international caps (0.43 goals/game).
     
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  19. ArabianExpat

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    Red Baron not me i already had him in my team ha took the gamble he may not play but it paid off big time, just gutted i moved him from captain to gervinho as you can imagine
     
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  20. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    KPR. You need to calm down. I wasn't comparing him to Carroll. He's a totally different type of player to Carroll. The question I'm asking is WOULD IT WORK IF SUAREZ PLAYED WITH AGUERO UP FRONT? NOT HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE AGUERO AGAINST CARROLL?

    Does this help, mate?
     
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