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  1. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    Northern Ireland's health minister is to meet the Public Prosecution Service over potential prosecutions of health care staff involved in abortions.

    Edwin Poots has also offered to meet a couple whose unborn twins have a serious abnormality.

    The babies' mother had urged Mr Poots to allow her to have an abortion in Northern Ireland.

    Mr Poots said: "The circumstances in this case are being fully explored from a legal perspective."

    The woman, who wanted to be named only as Laura has been told her girls have anencephaly, a severe brain abnormality.

    She is 22 weeks pregnant. Foetal abnormality is not a ground for abortion under Northern Ireland law.


    Laura said she felt "let down by her country" at having to leave to have the abortion.

    "I'm not going to be near my family, I'm not going to have any of my family's support," she told BBC Radio Ulster's Nolan Show.

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    I don't think I could ever go full term and have them in your arms for a couple of hours and have to watch them pass away is just something I don't think I could cope with”

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    "I have a hard enough thing to go through at the minute, finding out I have twin girls with the same condition who are going to have absolutely no outcome of life whatsoever.

    "To make that decision in the first place (to have an abortion) was one of the hardest decisions I've ever had to make in my life.

    "I think it's horrendous the fact that I have to go to a different country where I don't know anybody and have to go through something like that."

    Laura said she only found out she was expecting twins after her five-month scan; the next day she found out they had anencephaly and would have "absolutely no form of life whatsoever".

    "I don't think I could ever go full term and have them in your arms for a couple of hours and have to watch them pass away is just something I don't think I could cope with," she said.

    "They only have a heartbeat, that's all they have, the only thing that's keeping them alive is me."

    She said there was also a strong chance the babies would die in the womb.

    The twins' father, Chris, added: "We would like to be given the option, like any family in our position, to get the treatment that we require in our own country and have our families around us."

    In a statement, Mr Poots said: "This couple have my deepest sympathy. This is an extremely traumatic time for them and I want to be assured that they are receiving all the support and care that they need.

    "I can offer my assurances that I will listen to the voices of those affected by such a difficult situation.

    "I am willing to meet with this couple if they so wish and have asked my officials to contact them to offer a meeting.


    "The issue of potential prosecutions for health care staff involved in abortion has been raised, and I will meet with the Public Prosecution Service to discuss this matter".

    On Wednesday, another woman, Sarah Ewart, contacted the Nolan Show to highlight her experience.

    She had to travel to England for an abortion because her baby was also diagnosed with anencephaly.

    Law to be examined
    On Thursday, Justice Minister David Ford said he was committed to bringing a paper to the Northern Ireland Executive looking at issues around the termination of pregnancy.

    "That arose out of the previous issue on the discussion of the Marie Stopes clinic," he said.

    "I have written to the minister of health suggesting it should be a joint paper, because there are issues of both criminal law and health and social care issues.

    "It seems to me that what we've had highlighted yesterday and today is the need that we perhaps need to widen out that consultation to look at difficult issues like foetal abnormality to see if where the law is currently drawn is in the right place."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24474353

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  2. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Edwin Poots? What kind of daft name is that? <laugh>
     
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  3. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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  4. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    They should make abortion compulsory in Ireland.
     
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  5. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>

    Sounds like somebody out of a Dickens novel.

    Oh wait, it's Oirland, they still live in that era.
     
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  6. Mind The Duck

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    Woman who won't support her unborn children complains of lack of support

    Boo ****ing hoo
     
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  7. Medro

    Medro Well-Known Member

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    What's your point Ciaran?
     
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  8. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Aye, it's probably a lot better to bring kids with zero quality of life into the world so that the parents and the rest of the family can also gain themselves zero quality of life. Makes sense.
     
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  9. The Raging Oxter

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    Like Mindy you mean?
     
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  10. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>.
     
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  11. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    No one has zero quality of life in Western Europe in the 21st century.
     
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  12. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Children with serious defects detected in the womb, as in the OP, are born into zero quality life. Caring for them brings their parents close to zero quality life.
     
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  13. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure the Nazis spun a similar line when they wanted to kill the disabled
     
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  14. Mick O'Toon

    Mick O'Toon Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    Jaysus Gambo I never knew you had a serious side.
     
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  15. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    Being dead is never better than being alive.

    If a 2 year old has a serious accident which requires constant care from his/her parents should they be killed?
     
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  16. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    I widny know.

    However, using backward religious beliefs to force severely handicapped kids into a life of **** all is ridiculous.
     
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  17. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    It disny happen very often <laugh>
     
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  18. Null

    Null Well-Known Member
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    You make a good point ... for another debate.

    ****ed if I can give a **** debating it!
     
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  19. Toby

    Toby GC's Life Coach

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    <doh>

    A foetus is not a 2 year old.

    Every time your fat mess of an ex-partner had her period without being pregnant did you beat her for killing unborn children?

    Actually, you probably did <doh>
     
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  20. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    Religious ***** defence #34.

    If your point fails, deflect to a completely different issue.
     
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