A player with negative value?

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Chelsea have apparently offered E50million AND Torres in exchange for Cavani. Incredibly Napoli has rejected the offer. If we value Cavani at around 50 miilion Euros, what does this mean for Torres' value?

Is he one of these rare players that have negative value in the market? Maybe his huge wages could be a disincentive and clubs say even for free : "Thanks but no thanks"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...maximum-return-on-edinson-cavani-8682514.html
 
sm1thy said:
Chelsea have apparently offered E50million AND Torres in exchange for Cavani. Incredibly Napoli has rejected the offer. If we value Cavani at around 50 miilion Euros, what does this mean for Torres' value?

Is he one of these rare players that have negative value in the market? Maybe his huge wages could be a disincentive and clubs say even for free : "Thanks but no thanks"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...maximum-return-on-edinson-cavani-8682514.html
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Yeah, due to his massive wages not many will want to take the risk. If we really want to get rid we may have to continue paying some of his wages to encourage someone to take him.
 
I presume its 50 million euros plus the player (if at all - papers talk rubbish mostly). The players buy out is 53million pounds. That puts Torres value at around 10 million in this deal i guess which is frankly ridiculous.

Torres is worth at least double that so I'm taking this story with a pinch of salt.
 
If we are really making this outlandish bids then one of these cretins on our board negotiating these deals has to be ****ed off.
 
Torres is simply not a good makeweight in this situation.

Napoli came second in Serie A, and probably have ambitions to push for the title next year. If you're trying to get replace Torres with a better player to improve your chances of winning the PL next season, why would they think he could improve their chances of a Scudetto?

They want big bucks for Cavani so they can buy a top class replacement, and possibly two given his value. If they are replacing a top class striker with a top class striker, I doubt they'd want a (relatively) second rate 29 year old striker earning £7-8m a year just to warm the bench.

If you were offering a young and talented player with potential for the future, like Lukaku, I think they'd be more likely to consider him as part of the deal, but Torres will have no value to any club looking to push for a title next year. You'd be better off looking at a club trying to push for the CL, like City did with Adebayor and Spurs.
 
Swarbs said:
Torres is simply not a good makeweight in this situation.

Napoli came second in Serie A, and probably have ambitions to push for the title next year. If you're trying to get replace Torres with a better player to improve your chances of winning the PL next season, why would they think he could improve their chances of a Scudetto?

They want big bucks for Cavani so they can buy a top class replacement, and possibly two given his value. If they are replacing a top class striker with a top class striker, I doubt they'd want a (relatively) second rate 29 year old striker earning £7-8m a year just to warm the bench.

If you were offering a young and talented player with potential for the future, like Lukaku, I think they'd be more likely to consider him as part of the deal, but Torres will have no value to any club looking to push for a title next year. You'd be better off looking at a club trying to push for the CL, like City did with Adebayor and Spurs.
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Or sell shirts. That is all he is good for
 
Swarbs said:
Torres is simply not a good makeweight in this situation.

Napoli came second in Serie A, and probably have ambitions to push for the title next year. If you're trying to get replace Torres with a better player to improve your chances of winning the PL next season, why would they think he could improve their chances of a Scudetto?

They want big bucks for Cavani so they can buy a top class replacement, and possibly two given his value. If they are replacing a top class striker with a top class striker, I doubt they'd want a (relatively) second rate 29 year old striker earning £7-8m a year just to warm the bench.

If you were offering a young and talented player with potential for the future, like Lukaku, I think they'd be more likely to consider him as part of the deal, but Torres will have no value to any club looking to push for a title next year. You'd be better off looking at a club trying to push for the CL, like City did with Adebayor and Spurs.
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I see your point but I think a. it's very harsh on Torres and b. fails to take into account Napoli's true standing. Yes they came 2nd last year and yes they may have aspirations for the title but ultimately Cavani will go to a 'bigger' club and they are unlikely to be able to replace him like for like as a world class forward is unlikely to go to Napoli. Therefore they either take a punt on an unknown like when Cavani first went there or they look at the next band of strikers. They may think they can get a tune out of Torres (especially Rafa might think that) plus they can use the balance to strengthen throughout the squad.

Personally I don't think the deal will happen but I could see why it might.
 
chelsea - over 100 years of history said:
I see your point but I think a. it's very harsh on Torres and b. fails to take into account Napoli's true standing. Yes they came 2nd last year and yes they may have aspirations for the title but ultimately Cavani will go to a 'bigger' club and they are unlikely to be able to replace him like for like as a world class forward is unlikely to go to Napoli. Therefore they either take a punt on an unknown like when Cavani first went there or they look at the next band of strikers. They may think they can get a tune out of Torres (especially Rafa might think that) plus they can use the balance to strengthen throughout the squad.

Personally I don't think the deal will happen but I could see why it might.
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They may not be able to get a world class striker, but they could certainly attract a great player like Suarez or Gomez. They already have Pandev, who is at a similar level to Torres, and whilst they may not be a huge club with massive resources they will still aspire to buy great players rather than accept relatively good ones. Particularly when the relatively good one would be likely to want high wages and would probably expect to start most games.

The deal might happen, but only if Benitez decides he really wants Torres and thinks he will fit well with the current team.
 
OP - most big signings have negative value, what is so surprising about that?

especially over inflated buys like Nando, Berbaflop, Andy Caroll et al..

you can count big signings with positive value with your 10 fingers for sure..

this post doesn't serve anything tbh
 
stanclave said:
OP - most big signings have negative value, what is so surprising about that?

especially over inflated buys like Nando, Berbaflop, Andy Caroll et al..

you can count big signings with positive value with your 10 fingers for sure..

this post doesn't serve anything tbh
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You misunderstand. The original view was that the inclusion of Torres reduced the value. Like transferring him to Athletico, say, and paying them a fee on top to take him.
 
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