A fans reaction to the current situation

Just thought I'd share this article i found from a fan. It's an interesting read. I'm still gathering my thoughts on it. Have a read.

"I literally have no words to describe the anger and pain I feel right now. We had a coach, a young coach, with serious ambition. A young coach who has the best win percentage ever at Spurs. You read that right - ever. Who in their right mind lambastes a coach of this nature to the point where he is forced out of the club? Spurs fans, that's who.


I love Spurs from the bottom of my heart, I really do. They mean the world to me, I'm not being funny, they've got me through some difficult times and made me smile when nothing else could. Not only that, I love the promise and the infrastructure. We have a great youth academy/set up, with an ambitious young coach driving the club towards new, unprecedented heights. We have a strong, deep squad that is ready to fight for not only the top four, but maybe even the title.

Things can get tough. It happens in any profession, work gets tough and you just need to grind it out. After Spurs got hammered by City 6-0, a game where AVB did get a fair few things wrong, the manager responded with a draw at home against the current champions and then three straight wins. I make that out to be L-D-W-W-W. That is most certainly not the kind of form which gets a manager sacked.

We lost again on Sunday and it hurt losing 5-0 in our own backyard. I'm not going to sugar-coat it. AVB did make some horrendous tactical errors, but I'm sorry, he had to play a central midfielder at centre-back, partnered with arguably our worst central defender we have available (I would actually take Capoue as our 4th CB over Dawson, he is truly terrible).

He had to play Kyle Naughton at left-back, who is a lower Premiership quality right-back at best, let alone getting me started on him as left-back. He had his summer signing playmaker ripped away from him for the last month through injury too, which hasn't helped proceeding as AVB tried to settle the squad.

After Benoît Assou-Ekotto's tweet after the game, you can bloody well see why AVB had no time for the joker. People who said that having BAE would have stopped the City defeat or stemmed the flow of goals - they still would have scored six. The only difference being, Navas would have scored all of them from the right. It wasn't helped when a £3 Million 'waste-of-space' centre-back had to be brought on to fill the void when Naughton limped off injured at half-time. Another player forced out of position.

So we've established now that AVB had nowhere near his ideal selection available to him and hasn't for a considerable amount of time. Yet, despite some horrendous results, we still managed to find ourselves after just 16 games only five points off fourth place, having played City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsena. Even after taking only two points from these games.

He has had some issues settling some of the players in, but he hasn't had a full plethora of players to choose from for the entirety of the season. If Arsenal had three CB's out, they'd be down to Jenkinson or Miguel at the back, the later of which most of you have never heard of, which proves a point how unlucky AVB has been.

So, when I prop open my laptop and check my social media to see 'AVB OUT' plastered everywhere, all I can be thinking is how short sighted and stupid these fans are. Think where United would be if they hadn't stuck by Fergie? Think where Arsenal would be if they'd sacked Wenger when they were 13 points below us (just like everyone said they should).


The clubs showed loyalty to their managers and reaped the rewards. Arsenal are now top under the same coach everyone wanted sacked 20 odd-months ago and Fergie retired as one of the most respected managers in history.

Standing by AVB who's having a couple of rough results with a semi-fit squad shouldn't be so tough. I mean in 17 months he has only managed to achieve the highest win rate of any manager we have ever had. We're in the League Cup quarter-finals and we got a full 18 points from our Europa league group. Not only that, when fans complained about there not being enough goals, we only went and managed to score 10 goals in the next four games! What more can he give you? He drew at home to the champions, then went and won two games on the bounce- away none the less!

AVB was widely courted in the summer by PSG and Madrid and let's be honest, he could have gone to either should he have wanted too. He would have had more money, probably more job security and here goes - better fans.

Fans who I'm not literally embarrassed to be associated with because the atmosphere in the ground is so appallingly bad. It's disgusting, people say there's not loyalty in football anymore, and congratulation Daniel Levy, you've managed to prove it with one of the most short sighted decisions in the history of football. You sir, are a prat.

I think I've got most of what I wanted to say off my chest, yet I'm still beyond words. You idiot fans who couldn't get behind him because he wasn't 'interesting' enough are not only fickle but short minded and stupid. It's fans like you that make me hope that we finish 10th or below this year just to show you what a good thing we had. AVB is only a man I'm sure he read what was going on online and I can promise you it affected his judgement in the 'mutual agreement'.

Here's what I suggest anyways, we right this season off right here. Obviously we try, but manager wise we get someone to take us to the end of the year. By god, take Ian Holloway for the comedic value, I just don't care anymore. Personally, if we're going in that direction can we have Mick McCarthy, please?

We get an interim like Hoddle (one of the most backward minded coaches available in my opinion who will bring us back into the early 2000's), but just use him until the end of the season or until when a decent manager becomes available like Tito Vilanova (if he is well enough). There is nobody out there right now better than AVB who we can attract. Unless Levy pulls Klopp out the bag, probably still dazed with all the Ketamin he would have to spike him with to get him to sign a contract. I will always be against our chairman now. I've always supported him, but not now, I'm done.

Well done Spurs fans for essentially forcing out the best manager we've ever had in my lifetime from the club I love. Congratulations on the hostile atmosphere and your pathetic tweets (much love twitter brigade). You're a joke, the lot of you and not a funny one either - a total disgrace."

 

My personal opinion of that reaction is a complete load of crap to be honest mate.

They're so far up AVB's arse that they've forgotten it's Spurs he/ she actually supports.

AVB is/ was a **** manager that inherited a great side and managed to make them look mediocre. The win percentage should be bloody high with the players he had at his disposal, most would agree its should be far higher than what it was with the talent he got to manage. AVB talked a good talk but he most definitely could not walk when it mattered.

Then talking about hoping to finish 10th just because fans didn't like AVB, I'd love to know who the man/ woman that said this is, because I'd tell them to **** off and support those ****ers in red and white.

Just sounds a complete **** in my opinion mate.

 

I was having a look at fergies record at Utd in his early years, in his second season there he finished 2nd in the league, too much is made of him apparently being crap for five years as it's boring when fans bring up fergie as soon as a manager is sacked.

Roo as for that article, the guy should start a support group for Avb supporters, they can spend their life following his career and his stats while the rest of us will focus on what's important, the success of the club.

 

The really funny thing about that diatribe is that it does exactly what it accuses "the fans" of doing, I.e. Take a totally biased, blinkered, lopsided view of the situation. Who wrote it.. AVB's mother??

 

Calm down mate, you'll give yourself a heart attack!

Some of it is a bit extreme and embarrassing, but it's interesting to see an opinion of someone who's not part of this board (I doubt), so their opinion is not influenced by anyone on here.

The differences of opinion are really interesting at the moment. - some are still having the AVB v redknapp conversation. some people are so gutted AVB has gone, others are relieved.some blame levy, others still back him.

The fans are really divided at the moment and I just thinks it makes interesting reading.

 

Win rate!!! not another one, look at the games he uses as an example for god sake, Fulham S'land and Anzhi....WOW! are we supposed to rush off to the toilet and throw one off the wrist!

Best ever manager that got us into the Europa League!...there you go AVB, this nob thinks it should be your epitaph.

 

He seems to have missed out the part where the atmosphere has suffered because of the boring football.
It's definitely taken a hit as the prices have risen, just like most other grounds in the top flight unfortunately, but some of our games were incredibly unexciting under Villas-Boas.

 

AVB's win rate was not better than Redknapps' or many other managers, I'm sure. This is because his win ratio is from a small enough number of games that the differences between him and Redknapp (the only one I tested against) are explainable by the natural fluctuations of things.

http://www.not606.com/showthread.ph...-than-Harry-s-Not-close?p=5782058#post5782058

I cannot see why anyone would say that AVB was a great (or even good) manager. There is simply no evidence other than getting Porto to win things for ONE season. And Porto won the league 4 times in the 5 years before he was appointed and the cup 3 times. They won the double TWICE in that time before he was manager. And since he left? They "managed" to win the title both years running. What a surprise.

No - AVB has basically zero in his CV. That's what I said when he was appointed and it's even more true now.

Shame cos he's a nice guy, an intelligent guy and I wanted it to work for him (for Spurs). But claims about the man's ability seem based on thin air.

 

The Porto stats are the best thing I've read for days!

 

Nothing riles me more than fans wanting Spurs to underachieve just to prove themselves right or to piss off other fans who they disagree with.

I'm all for opinions, they're entitled to say they're gutted he's gone and Levy's made a terrible mistake but the moment they start criticising other fans and as I've already mentioned - wanting us to underachieve - that's when I get shirty. I love this club and when I see idiots saying they'd want us to do badly just because they're upset at losing their poster boy, really grinds on me.

Sorry mate but my opinion stands, the article owner is a ****, got no time for these sort of "fans".

 

I am with SoS on this one, Roo. Sorry!

 

you make it sound like I'm on side with the guy who wrote the article! Jesus lads!

How people are defending AVB like they are, is beyond me. Same goes for the attitude shown by this fan, it's unbelievable.

I don't know where I currently stand, but i do share his frustration with Levy.

Like I say, just for a read and another opinion from someone who's not part of this board. There's a lot of pissed off people out there! It's a right ****ing mess.

 

avb slagged us off in the media and still he received support despite the boring football, lack of goals, lack of tactics and terrible results...he got himself sacked ... we didn't do anything anti avb...great young coach????? mmmm...out thought by fat sam!

 

Haha sorry if it looks like that mate, unless you're secretly the article writer?

 

Haha - guess it did come across like that mate!!
As one of those that actually welcomed (admittedly guardedly) AVB's arrival at the time, I have become totally disillusioned with him, his selections and tactics over the past few months. To such an extent that I was really not looking forward to the next game.

The very AVB-biased Telegraph article did actually highlight a few issues that may well have impacted his plans, but the bottom line for me is that he has brought us 3 of the worst and most embarrassing defeats in our PL history in the space of 2 months, whilst limping over the line in other games playing a style of football that was at best tedious.

Certainly not in the mood to be an apologist for him right now!!

 

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I won't say where I found the article... Boss will have a field day.

Going back to where I said "I share his frustration with levy". - we are in a right predicament at the moment.

AVB's fault or not, someone hired him. Just like that same person has made sackings. The reason we are in this situation is because of levy.

I don't understand why people aren't putting more blame on him. They seem to defend him just because the financials look good. But when it comes to the "football" part of his job, he's just not very good at it. The decisions that affect us on the pitch ruin the excellent monetary decisions for me.

We're only having these conversations because of him. Having the clubs best interests at heart as a fan is brilliant, but he's not good enough at part of his current role.

He's has been very good at taking the club forward and helping us to grow, but at the same time he's proving that he's completely incapable at something else.

 

SAF wasn't blamed for the situation at the club when he arrived - which at the time was the ageing team of talented but pisshead players, who couldn't sustain a challenge to Liverpool. He offered a solution, but it was a long term plan based on Utd developing young players. There wasn't as much money sloshing about in the top division then so not even Utd could try to spend our way out of trouble in the manner of even the middle ranking teams these days.

AVB is being blamed for the situation. He has had no choice but to try and buy a ready made team of players capable of maintaining the standards set by Redknapp's best team and that was never very likely to happen. AVB is a young, naive manager, who has neither the confidence nor experience to pull it off. I think he did OK for Spurs, all things considered, even if the style was ugly. But what could be expected of him so soon, especially without a talisman like Bale any longer? Where would Rodgers be without Suarez? I very much doubt Liverpool would be within touching distance of the top. Levy appointed AVB. He must have realised that appointing a young manager to oversee wholesale changes at the club was going to involve a long term rebuilding plan, not a short term fix? To expect him to spend £100M wisely and build a team instantly would have been beyond even SAF, I think.

 

Boring footie did it for me. I don't go that often any more because of a new baby, but I was reaching the stage where I thought **** it, it ain't worth going to the lane, I'm not going to be entertained.