http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterunited/id/4290?cc=5739 Interesting read. Suggests the mood in the club is not good at all though Mitten seems to think Moyes will be given money to sign a tonne of players. I can only hope he is never given a penny. Such wholesale changes could be disastrous. Even City and Madrid would laugh at such stupidity. You simply dont make so many changes at once.
That is not what the article is implying as far as I can make out, it's talking about how many players will be in support of him at the start of next season, compared to how many there where at the start of this. Was a good read though
Maybe it's coz your squad has been inferior for quite a while now but you just had a great manager keeping it together? ****s like Nani, Young and Valencia all over rated. Fletcher and Carrick, decent players, but should be no better than reserves in a title pushing side, not ****ing starting. Vidic = Over rated ****. Ferdinand = crock. Smalling, Jones, Rafael = Good defenders, but title winning quality? Nah. They'd not look out of place in a mid table team. De Gea = Less said the better. No more Giggs and scholes to pull you out the ****. Rooney is pissed off because he's having to run your entire central midfield. The fact that he has to track back and do the job of a CDM sometimes really just tells you why he's going in the summer. He's been treat like **** at Man Utd. He should be no lower than a CAM position, not having to sweep up **** after your CM's. City and Chelsea have squads full of world/top class talent. Arsenal have a great system set up with a mix of young talent pushing to prove themselves and top class players, and also a great manager. Everton are in a honey moon period under Martinez, Liverpool are well set up with great players on form. It's no wonder why you are where you are really. Moyes will need time, but even if he has the time, you're not going to be able to compete with City and Chelsea at least and will be doing no better than scrapping for the CL.
"Smalling, Jones, Rafael = Good defenders, but title winning quality? Nah. They'd not look out of place in a mid table team" I know what you're saying but fact is they were title winning quality
Really?! Pretty sure City brought in five new players this summer and ditched around eight. And now apparently they're the best in the land. Same in 11/12 - six new players in, eight out and they win the league. **** me, last season they brought in five new players and were criticised for not having done enough to refresh their title winning side. Gotta face facts mate - without a master motivator like SAF to get the same players fired up for the same games and same trophies year after year, we are going to have to spend as much as the rest to keep up. Too many of our players just won't get motivated any more now they've won everything there is to win. Tho' maybe Utd are different. After all, the last time we brought in six players and ditched seven was in 07/08. And what a disaster that turned out to be...
Too many peole on here think these players are top quality. They were "top quality" because they played for Fergie. For any other manager they would still be good but not title winning. It always amazed people how experienced and inexperienced players would play out of their skin after having won the league. The team needs revamping. Those who think just changing the manager and keep the same squad of players are just living in cloud cuckoo land. And that revamping will cost big. We need two top quality midfielders (>fellaini) 3-4 defenders, 2 quality strikers. We are talking 6-8 top quality players and what I said a few weks ago about needing around £300m is proving to be true. Whether we will get that is debatable but this squad is simply not good enough.. for any manager than Fergie.
Regardless of if people think 'this team won the league last year', which to an extent is did but that takes away the fact we were for the most part injury free last year, it is now one year older, one year less motivated, a little unsure of itself under new management. It would have taken a special manager to be able to motivate those players in the same was as Ferguson did and a special set of players to remain as 100% focused under a new manager as many will have never worked under anyone other than Ferguson. We have neither that manager nor those players. The facts are; Goalkeepers - we're ok. Right backs - Rafael is just about good enough, Smalling would be his No.2 for me. Left Backs - Evra pretty much on his last legs. Buttner never in my life time good enough. No ****ing chance is he a Manchester United player. Centre Halves - Rio and Vidic are finished. Moyes didn't finished them, they were already finished. Jones, good enough, Evans decent squad player. Therefore we need two very good centre halves. Wingers - Giggs finished. Valencia not really good enough, Young not good enough, Nani good enough but a shocking, pitiful work ethic and not worthy of the shirt. Zaha, well will ever find out? Januzaj, clearly very, very good. For all of that I could only point the finger at Moyes for not giving Zaha a go. Midfield - Carrick, good but now 32. Fletcher, good but is really a miracle that he can play professional football at all. Anderson, hopefully never to return. Cleverly, see Buttner. Fellaini, so far not looking up to it but he may yet come good. I hold Moyes responsible only for buying Fellaini. Attacking midfield - Kagawa, yet another enigma. Only capable of functioning in one very specific position it seems or else he can't be arsed. Did Fergie get the best out of him? No, did he ****. Mata, the future of the club. We need to bring Powell back in this position. Strikers. This is where we're good. Rooney and RVP first choices with Hernandez and Welbeck the back up's. This area should not be an issue. City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and even Everton improved their squad on last season where we, initially at least, stood still. The only thing that baffles me is that people are surprised by where we are. Regardless of if Moyes is the right man for the job, and I admit I doubt he is, we still need two centre halves, two left backs, one right back, two centre midfielders and a winger to be anywhere near as good as we need to be. Look at the players above and tell me you are genuinely of the belief they are all good enough to be Manchester United players.
Because the same team won the title at a canter last year??? It was inevitable there would be an element of transition with a new manager but no more so than Chelsea and City have had. Fact is, Moyes has been far worse than anyone even predicted. These players are capable of winning the league, they already have. 9 months shouldn't change things that much. You could change 2/3 of your team, or your could just make a couple of key changes and bring in a proper top class manager next time.
Did you miss the bit about all the rivals around us significantly improving their squad? Or was it the bit that both RVP and Carrick were injured for large stages of this season? Ok, even if you do chose to ignore that, go back over that squad and seriously tell me that it should still be well clear at the top of the league by comparison to our rivals. I don't deny that had the manager not left it would be higher but the fact that the manager did leave, and the upheaval that brings, means there was always going to be a period of lull in performances. There are many mitigating factors for our position, the new manager is just one of those.
Every single one has proved they are. Thats the point. No matter how its dressed up, these players are Champions and are good enough.
bullsh!t .. Moyes need to have full support .. is ridiculous some are wanting his head look to loserpool, they could had asked for the same after missing out even on Europa league, but look how things changed in a season .. is just ridiculous some are wanting Moyes head and want the club not to support him .. the broad never supported him financially , and they owe him that
Erm ****tard, yes they did support him. To the tune of over 60million. Liverpool kept their version of moyes for years. They have yet to recover. Go ask a scouser about a certain souness. Our rivals improved their squads.... So did we. Nearly 30 million worth of improvements. Maybe that wasnt enough eh? How much will it cost to make the non stop crosses go in? How much eh?
Giggs is 40. Ferdinand is no longer able to stay fit and play two matches one after the other Vidic has a played one seasons worth of matches in the last THREE seasons due to major injuries Evra is, frankly, ****ed after having been asked to play pretty much every single game for the last God know show many years due to having no back up. Carrick was injured for the first half of the season Cleverly, is NOT good enough, sorry to tell you that but you're wrong. Ditto Buttner Ditto Young Ditto Anderson Fletcher has had a section of his colon removed. His illness is NOT becoming of a professional footballer. RVP Injured for most of the year. Nani has disappeared. But yes, it's all exactly the same as last season.
Most of this was apparent last season yet they proved their worth. Im not saying changes arent needed, of course they are. All I am saying is those slating the team have short memories. Moyes hasnt even given half the players above a chance. Anderson Nani Rio Fabio All frozen out by moyes. Barely a game between them. Are they good enough? **** knows as they didnt getvto show it to the new manager. He stuck with our worst players week in week out no matter how bad they were. Imagine being left out for someone terrible and given mo opportunity to make your claim. Our biggest loss is rvp but we finished on the same points total the year previous without rvp. Same players same squad same points. Moyes has terrible man management skills. You are either one of his favourites or completely frozen out. Awful awful manager.
