Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

What teams they got to play?

 

Hoffenheim
Everton home
Leicester in league cup qf.
Palace home
Leicester away
Southampton away (That's 30th so both should be coming back)

In other words they should handily win them all... we would say no excuses to our lot.

Everton are by far the hardest game.

Then on the 3rd they play us

 

They would have struggled to give themselves an easier Christmas if they selected the fixtures

 

Yeah, those two players missing shouldn't be a problem for them in those fixtures.

They could play the youth team against Saints ffs

 

Does that make you a Brazilian?

 

That's what the Brazilians wish...

 

Do you think it's getting worse? I can't say I've noticed, but I'm white and my experience is different to yours. I think the hatred that seems to have been encouraged by Brexit is more a case of xenophobia than racism as such.
I think it's difficult to distinguish between genuine racism and an opportunist insult. If someone thinks they're going to rattle a player with it then they might use such language even though they don't generally think that way. It's still inexcusable as far as I'm concerned, but I'm just saying that it alone may not be a sign of growing racism in society at large.
I think the only way it will be genuinely eradicated is when people no longer think of skin colour as any more important than hair colour or any other cultural or ethnic characteristic.
That will take time - perhaps a few more generations - and ethnic minorities have their part to play in it as well. Positive discrimination, though well meaning, has the effect of perpetuating that sense of separateness, imo.
I can honestly say that despite being a kid and youth in the 60's and 70's it never bothered me at all what race or religion or gender people were. I do, and always have, judged people on their individual merits.

 

It's a odd one at the football, insults come thick and fast when the blood is pounding, often they make no real sense and are not really meant.

A good example I once screamed out at mcmannamon that he was a fat bastard!

Heat of the moment.

The exact sentence in fact. "Run you fat bastard". There was about a hundred people round me who fell silent, then started laughing at me.

 

I don’t think we can say for certain that it is gettting worse across society. But there are worrying signs that it could rear its ugly head. Racism and xenophobia were really frowned upon until recently. Suddenly with Trump and Brexit it was ok to dislike other nations. Papers and people were openly starting to be nasty about other nations. Turkish immigrants “were going to be flooding” into Britain. East Europeans were taking our homes, putting pressure on the NHS. The language had turned openly nasty. Even May said that Europeans would not be “allowed to jump the queue “.

Sure we shouldn’t be seeing colour of the skin as important. This can only happen if black people were not discriminated in all walks of life: employment, promotion, housing, education and many others. If you are black and suffering discrimination in important ways you wouldn’t be thinking that being black could be viewed the same as having a different hair colour. Because having a different hair colour normally wouldn’t lead to significant discrimination (there are exceptions of course).

 

As much as we don't like it, discrimination will always be part of life, much like bullying in schools.

 

Tbh...... right now the rich nation "have enough"

I can see a time in the not too distant future where the rampant consumerism and exponentially increasing populations will lead to far far worse than Donald trump.

Once we get to a protect what's mine at all costs or I want yours and don't care what happens to you mentality it's going to be back to serious wars but the death toll will dwarf wwi and wwii

I'm going to predict that the us aggression toward Venezuela which is oil motivated is going to be one of the first

 

I take your point, mate. What I was trying to say is that at one time hair colour amongst white people would have been a clear indicator of tribal background, and possibly could have been used as a discriminatory factor. It's no longer considered important as we've intermingled so much (although gingers still get a lot of stick) - so I was looking forward to a time when skin colour would also be considered far less important.
As to the xenophobic rhetoric, I'm old enough to remember several waves of similar hostility towards incomers - going back to the "paki-bashing" era when I was a kid.
It really doesn't seem anything new to me, just cyclic.

 

My personal take on racism within the game is, I was around when using the "n" word was the norm(any club denying it are lying), Clyde Best played for West Ham in the 60's and was called fit to burn racist names by his home supporters, Liverpool and Everton were worse than most when it came to rasism(sadly)because Liverpool's Afro/English population preferred to stay in their own community (who could blame them)of L8(Toxteth)
Howard Gale came from that district and is well remembered for running the Bayern Munich side ragged in the EC semi-final, but tbh that never stopped the abuse Batson, Moses, Regis and Cunningham received when West Brom visited Anfield a few years later .so yes Liverpool fans were as bad as any club in terms of racism from the terraces, the defining moment was when the articulate stylish and debonair John Barnes joined our club , the standard racism ended.

I find it disgraceful and upsetting that it seems it's on the increase again within the game, I also think that Rio Ferdinand mouthing off about it is just as disgraceful when taking into consideration he himself made a racist remark about Ashley Cole and was found guilty of the same charge by the FA as Suarez/Terry .
It should be accepted by players and supporters alike that players with skin colour other than "white" have enhanced our clubs and our nation's and anyone that can't accept that should booted out of or banned.

 

Spot on mate.

It is in accepting that we did wrong that we can move forward. I remember very well when players who were abused would be under extreme pressure from their clubs and players, managers and fans and newspapers to accept it. It is just banter they would say. No sense of humour and too thin skinned. “Stop acting like a pussy and act like a man” they would say to the most extreme vilification and provocation possible, like being called N word and worse.

 

We must try to eliminate it and make it unacceptable. I never thought it could become cyclical. Society surely must get better and not worse. Haven’t we learnt the terrible lessons of the 20th century?

 

but it is better just not fixed. In the old days it would be hundreds if not thousands where as now it is just isolated incidents .

 

The big difference from the dark days of the 70s and 80s was that now people DO object to this abuse and find it unacceptable. Hardly anyone says “grow up. This is just football rivalry”

It is isolated incidents at the moment but let’s hope it stays that way.

 

difference between then and now is a lot hide behind a computer screen like cowards, it's not just matches it's an issue sadly.

same as on line bullying and kids taking their own lives sadly.

i don't give a **** what colour skin a person has, white,black brown or even ****ing orange

i might be a bit concerned if you was green though

 

I think it's isolated atm but the trend is upwards. I've travelled all over the world - Europe is institutionally racist - no question for me - In Western Europe it's been quite suppressed, in other countries, specifically central and Eastern Europe, its very blatant.

The mass immigration into Europe has been the spark that these idiots needed to fan the flames - now it's everywhere, dressed up as patriotism. Dangerous times.

 

i cant remember the group or care, but was a thing the other day in paper about harry being a target as he married a mixed race wife!!! wtf.

sad thing is the ****ing ring leaders aren't old enough to wipe their own ass, hide behind a computer screen. 17 and 20 i think.