1. The line ups Dudek Carragher Henchoz Hyppia Risse Murphy Gerrard Hammann diouf Owen Heskey V Reina Johnson Skertl Agger Enrique Henderson Lucas Gerrard Downing Suarez Carroll 2. The stadium Nothing at all to really speak of. 3. The managers Houllier via rafa and some other guy and now King kenny 4. Premier league 5th v ? (currently 7th 4points of 4th) So.... 9 years wasted or not? 9 years ago we won a carling cup but finished 5th and we saw the poor signins that broke moores finally. (not that he needed much) A glorious 3 years from 05-07 could neve rbe called a waste but here we are again 9 years later hoping to win something to get back on track and build on. Is the team any better? I'd say marginally at best Is the future brighter? i'd say brighter if henry delivers like we hope he can... the amateur i hope are long gone and this build will be different to the previous 4...
Between 2003 and 2012 we won the champions league, plus were runners up in it and semi finalists once to. We also were semi finalists in the europa league. We won the FA cup in 2006, followed by the community shield. After the champions league we got the super cup and we cheated out of the world club cup. Just a few yeas ago we were runners up in the league. But I think just taking the years 2003-2012 is a bit random. We had two long term managers and two teams in that time. -----------------Reina Arbeloa Carragher Agger Aurelio ---------Mascerano Alonso ----Kuyt------- Gerrard ----Riera ------------------Torres
i am of the opinion that you can tell how scarring the period was by the views expressed on the period. Jk I think you still have faith in our club as one of the biggest clubs in the world from waht you say. I'd say i am rather affected why the whole thing especially G&H and the waste i see and wish to see an end of constant rebuilding... here's hoping.
Statler & Waldorf did their best to run the club into the ground, and all the work put in by Rafa in building up the team under Moores was completely undone by the years under the Toxic Yanks... Hopefully, with some ownership stability and a reasonable fund available, we can go forward. We always had a good core but no real depth...
my opinion on depth is different, i have always felt we never had the winning mentality required. we've always got so far and never seemd to get that every single game is the reason players get paid at all and demand 100% thats waht i've thought ever since evans took over. This is why i think cheslea are a spent force now, the pollutant of big ego is so hard to be rid of. I would hope the as kenny has shown he'll drop carragher that he'll reinstill what he knows is required as per the quote in my signature. I think i'm a perfectionist and demand 100% effort and also the form and win to go with it each game but the only thing that annoys me is when effort is lacking cos our side thinks it can turn up and win. I do think that at times i felt our club was gone under G&H and am just hoping is rebuild under henry, comolli and kenny is the las tone i have to see.
The period from 6 February 2007 to 15 October 2010 was a critical period that, in the latter stages, undermined any positive work that was done during the other years! Edit: Just seen that the ownership issues have been mentioned already. My bad.
I think that you're both right and both wrong. As jkielq91 says, the 9 years have not completely been a waste of time - that record would have proved to be the foundation of a claim for a decade of success for many premiership clubs. However, as MITO says, the period has been one of too many 'false dawns' the sum of which have nor produced real progress. The major question which has still to be resolved is that of consistancy. We haven't had that in our performances over the decade and it appears to still evade us. I do however, sense that FSG have brought with them a new air of reality. An objective for the club has been set by Henry and he appears to be determind to achieve it in a business-like manner. That in itself will induce a culture of consistancy over a period of time. This Summer will clearly indicate if my feeling is right. If we add more quality to the squad rather than marquee signings then I believe all will be well.
One thing that has developed is the amount of youngsters being brought through. Kelly, Spearing, Flanagan, Robinson, Sterling, Ecclestone - how many youngsters were on the fringes or there abouts 9 years ago? Coady and Wisdom as well, all looking really good prospects. The future's bright.
i'd not go that far cos back 9 years ago we had a few good young uns... none of ours now have a right to a shirt yet but i think the point is the strucutre in palce and policy to get the best in etc is important... again i dearly hope we are professional enough now to maintain the strucutre and not see rafa's men leave one day and it all go away. mellor, otsemobor, warnock, welsh, owen, gerrard... there was a few about back then no question. then again a short while later with youth cups won and none came through so....I hope some kids make the grade (that grade being top club at the top of the table) and i hope we build o nthe good strucutres. these nine years.... should have done a lot... didn't i totally blame moores. stadia, players,debts amateur approach is all him. G&H is all him. I hope we build strong undestroyable strucutres, no manager should come in and rip down for his ego, we build our stadium, we build a top team and we win things from here on out with john henry.
Let's hope in 9 years time we can look back on the last 12 months and say...that was the turning point LFC came close to being utterly ripped apart by The Muppets (and the mistakes of the previous owners) but we're still here. Now we have been stabilised as a business by FSG and on the pitch by Kenneth and his staff so whatever problems we have had recently can be put behind us which can only be a good thing. I guess the biggest issue now is to finally sort the stadium debacle once and for all...but that's probably a debate for another day
I think the mank is an expert on backward Mito Get the feeling his lot will be experiencing a lot of backward over the next decade as well
Poor MITO, suffering from the Friday night blues? But questioning the joy of Liverpool is not going to cure all the problems in your life that make you all sulky on a Friday night, now is it? Go get a drink and have a little weep, then come back refreshed and happy to be here ;-)
I think the main thing about the 9 years is we are still in touch with the teams at the top, and can still compete with them. A gap opened, but we kept it fairly small when we could have easily slipped into mid table obscurity. We've seen teams who have achieved great things slip away. Everton dont look like winning a title any time soon, and Nottingham Forest were a great side once to. Had it not been for H&G failing like they did, we probably would have achieved more.
There was probably a similar lengthed list but not many of them made it. In all honesty, how many of those you just listed will actually break into the first time and how many will more on to other clubs...? Aka - Danny Murphy, Stephen Warnock, Neil Mellor, Dominic Matteo, etc (I realise they are not all from within the last nine years) Edit:
mito wrote this Friday morning so no not 'Friday night blues' - you read it at night!! "mellor, otsemobor, warnock, welsh, owen, gerrard... there was a few about back then no question" Only Mellor and Warnock made it to the first team in the period we are talking about. Owen, Gerrard were 90's, Otsemobor was on loan for most of his time at senior level playing only 4 games. Kelly, Spearing, Flanagan already have more games than that and Robinson has 3 senior games so far.
I think that the manc post above proves that we are going in the right direction. i think everything is in place for greatness, it may just take a year or two to get to that level, but I don't think anything needs to change.
