Pretty much sums up the attitude of so called ' fans '. That said, that's the attitude at most clubs. Expectation. Far too much money in the game, we work hard all week, costs us an arm and a leg to go and we EXPECT to be entertained and win win win win win ! Sadly, this league is the most RIDICULOUS championship ever. Long gone are the days of Port Vale / Bury / Swindon / etc etc propping up the rear and having no money to do a thing in this league. Look at a list of the teams for example- Us / Nottingham Forest / Leeds / Leicester / Saints etc etc etc etc There is about 18 teams who believe they have a god given right to be top 6 and in the premiership. That said, I'm glad a lot of the negative clowns on here aren't chairman. Christ, we'd be in the conference now with 12 managers a season. Lets get behind Jewell. The clubs much more positive than under ROY KEANE, thats for sure. Of course I'm not happy when we lose but this league is insane. Literally anyone can beat anyone, and it's going to be much the same for the rest of the season. Also - What I find hilarious, is when we win we get about 1/ 2 articles created. When we lose surprise ,,,, about 20. Seriously, grow up.
A very eloquent speech but perhaps you should be a season ticket holder instead of an armchair supporter. I think after paying to watch this garbarge over the last 3 years you wouldn't be quite so dismissive of those that do. Its us "Clowns" that invest a great deal of time and money in supporting this shower of ****e and after 3 years of false promises and heightened expectations from the management I think we are entitled to a much better deal. After a brief flirtation with the top 6 we have now reverted back to type with a one dimensional manager who is now clutching at straws. If you are happy with accepting the current mediocrity than fair enough but there are some of us who put our money where our mouth is and actually EXPECT MUCH BETTER!
“Sadly, this league is the most RIDICULOUS championship ever. Long gone are the days of Port Vale / Bury / Swindon / etc etc propping up the rear and having no money to do a thing in this league. Look at a list of the teams for example- Us / Nottingham Forest / Leeds / Leicester / Saints etc etc etc etc There is about 18 teams who believe they have a god given right to be top 6 and in the premiership. Of course I'm not happy when we lose but this league is insane. Literally anyone can beat anyone, and it's going to be much the same for the rest of the season.” Bollocks. Let’s have a look at a random season in times gone by shall we? 2004-05: Why look…that league had: Sunderland; Wigan; Derby; West Ham; Sheffield Utd; Sheffield Wednesday; Wolves; QPR; Stoke; Leeds; Cardiff; Forest etc. Ooooooohhhhh what a nasty tough league where anyone can beat anyone! But it’s only this season isn’t it! You might have had a valid point if we’d been playing well, loosing close games, showing signs of progress on the pitch and so on. We aren’t. I really can’t believe you actually attend any games if you can’t spot the obvious that we have been utter bollocks for most of this season and much of the last. Did the seven goals shipped against the mighty Peterborough pass you by? Have you not noticed that we are the easiest touch the likes of Millwall, Palace, Doncaster and so many more have faced? Do you not think this squad of players is better than the results they’ve been getting? Better than the clueless performances? Better than the four-year-old girl resilience they demonstrate game after game? This isn’t an indication that we’re embroiled in an abnormally close and quality league: it’s an indication that we’re garbage and if anything getting worse. As far as I can fathom there are the only possible is that he’s good in the transfer market and it does sound like things will be happening in January. This idea that the former flurry of good form can not only return but stay around without a return to the current and former risible dross I just cannot see. Pointing out things that are horribly wrong doesn’t mean you are “not a fan”, it just means that you aren’t a pious, deluded fool who exists on mindless sheep-like faith.
Jonah and JMW Quality reply my friends, i would say that those who don't seem bothered about our current form are the ones that are not true supporters. So we are clowns, at least we are not deluded clowns!!!!
Very true WCP Oh and sorry for thread a few weeks ago, mis read your quote!! Westlake 'Lets get behind Jewell. The clubs much more positive than under ROY KEANE, thats for sure' I don't know why as results are worse!!
I've seen the light finally JWM and Spanish. I agree with you, I don't know why I haven't listened to your intelligent posts in the past few seasons. We should have given Keane more time and then we wouldn't have been in this mess. But I geuss that is the past now, and we have got this clueless clown Jewell in charge who's signed loads of ageing players and the results we've had and performances we've had, he should just go, he's had enough time to sort out the mess and has brought 15 players of his own in. I'm fed up of the garbage I've seen at PR for the past 5 years and tbh up until now I haven't been bothered about our form and have not been a true supporter of ITFC. But I know feel I am, these results and performances just cannot continue, we need to get rid of Jewell, Clegg and Evans as they are all clueless, as every manager/chairman/owner appears to have been ever since I have been supporting ITFC, we need to get someone in quick to sort out this mess and bring some proper quality players to the club from lower leagues and blood some of the youngster in!! I've had enough of these terrible performances and the results speak for themselves. All these fans who have said Jewell is our saviour and should be given a bit more of a chance, are clueless clowns and clearly are not worthy of an opinion about ITFC, because they don't care about the club!! I've had enough!!!
I'm not saying Jewell is our savoir at all, but I certainly think he's a breath of fresh air when compared with Keane. I still cannot believe the board wouldn't back Royle slightly regards Fuller, yes finances were a mess but the job Royle did was simply fantastic. The championship is far more competitive than it was. If you want to compare back to 04/05, fine lets do exactly that. That season we had Brighton at the Withdean with ZERO money, Rotherham whose aim was simply to stay up, Crewe likewise, Gillingham likewise,and many other clubs ala Leeds etc who had NOTHING to spend on players. That season, we were on the back of a play off squad, we had the likes of Bent etc, of course we were going to do better that season than we would this. Anyway, we will have to see what happens. My main point is by this topic, things looked rather rosy after we went on a good run, beat West Ham away, should have won at Boro + Cardiff, played Brighton off the park. I realise the past 3 defeats have been frustrating, not good viewing but I hope we can put another run together. Personally, I want us to go back to 4-4-2 with width. I think Carson is excellent, and if we do this and take the game to the opposition then we can do well. Leadbitter please just go............. !
I think the main reason that so many are venting their spleen (me included) at 16:50 on a Saturday (or when you get home, whatever the case may be) more so than before is not just the sheer number of defeats, plenty of those under Keane and Magilton after all, but the nature of them. This is a team with plenty of experience and some quality (supposedly) youth. They shouldn’t be this risibly easy to beat. I repeat what I said of Millwall last week: you could have replaced us with an Isthmian Premier side for much of the game and you’d have struggled to tell the difference. Then there’s the pious, halo-wearing crowd who invariably interpret a passionate reaction to hideous incompetence as “Jewell out” and try and affect some bizarre moral high ground. If I was in charge I still wouldn’t be sacking Jewell due to the following logic: 1. If the team is hopeless is it perfectly reasonable to state if the manager isn’t up to it you might as well get rid asap, rather than sack him later. All this achieves is to waste the time between now and the sacking. 2. However, this obviously relies on hindsight: the only justification of early sacking is if either a later sacking happens (impossible to predict without time travel) or the next guy transforms the team almost immediately (highly unreliable). 3. So, has the manager shown sufficient promise or is the cost of sacking so great so as to justify giving him more time? I’d be surprised if the club have anything else in mind than to give him until NEXT Christmas (2012) until anything drastic is considered (1-7 nightmares notwithstanding). I’d give him until the end of the season plus the benefit of a decent budget at the next transfer window. If he’s got us back to the better results that he has achieved before (if only in fits and starts) then fine. But if we continue with these shambolic, clueless displays then it has to be a change in May/June. And I reserve the right to make my displeasure known when my team plays like the local primary school’s girls second eleven. Especially after nearly getting lynched at Millwall, celebrating Bullard’s goal wildly while sitting amongst the enemy. I had to leave slightly early and get back to King’s Cross via Stockwell, I’ll have you know.
This is exactly the problem and why i am not happy!! If we were getting beat but really giving it our all then fgair enough but it doesn't seem to be the case and if they are giving their all then we are in dire doodoo. Westy,ptc and sandiego You can call me all the names under the sun, tbh it don't bother me but you really should look at yourselves if you think that things ain't as bad as those during RK's tenure. Results speak for themselves and more importantly, goals conceded are so very worrying!! I think you will find that i did not say Jewell should be sacked but i did say the current situation needs sorting and muy pronto!!
Firstly JJ, although there are parts of your last post I disagree with in the main I agree with you. Its good to see even though there are parts of it I do disagree with that there is substance to your argument and there is some intelligence to it, especially the 2nd from last paragraph which I completely agree with, its a shame others do not concur with this, all to often it seems the arguments on here are plain black and white, there's no grey areas. Spanish, firstly I know you do care if we call you all the names under the sun because you react to them in a foul abusive way and if you didn't care you would react the way you do. Secondly unless I am completely mistaken(and I apologise) I do remember a couple of months back you saying Jewell should be sacked. IMO things are not half as bad as they were under Keane as they are under Jewell but things were worse for Jewell when he took over than they were for Keane when he took over which is a major thing to take into consideration. I do share your concerns though about the number of heavy defeats we are getting, with the personel we have this simply should not be happening and the thing that annoys me most about Jewell so far is that he continues to play Bullard in the deep holding role. I expected quite a few defeats this season because of how bad the situation was last season and over the summer but I did not expect some of the manner of defeats this season, but then looking at the league there are some very strange results happening all the time, just look at Blackpool, Leeds, infact most of the division apart from Southampton, there are some pretty shocking results in there. I just think Jewell has shown enough promise to be shown more patience and understanding at what a hard job he has had. Like JJ says if these results continue like this, then we should be worried but for the moment I'm not overly concerned, things will get better but may get worse first. Whatever happens its going to be a very up and down season!!
I'd much rather this manager to Keane. For example, we're not 14 without a win and bottom of the league....... Time will tell if Jewell is a success or not, I'm unsure at the minute. We'll see
Do you honestly think that because some of us are giving Jewel a hard time that it means that we preferred life with Keane!?!
Spanish me ol' sparring partner you know I never resort to name calling. I do agree with what you say though. You can see from my recent posts that I am not vehemently defending everything Jewell does. I have been questioning his tactics and sub selections just like everyone else and yes, some of the last results and performances are inexcusable. He needs to find that plan B and I hope he has seen that after how the second half went yesterday. I do however see how PJ has had only one transfer window to bring players in and did quite well considering. I'm sure he can see the same problems we all can see and to be fair he normally addresses them. He needed defenders, he got Collins and Sonks. he needed cover at right back, he got Wabara. You can see already that he does try to sort his problems out. If only he can sort his tactics out now and be a bit more adaptable to different situations.
what would sacking paul jewell solve? its clear a lot of you, after this result have had enough! jwm, just because youve been a fan for 40 years or whatever you seem to say on every post does not mean that you know more than other fans which you for some reason believe you do. i've got much respect for every fan of ipswich because at the end of the day we support the same team but constantly reminding others of your supporter "credentials" is a load of tosh. we all support ipswich and just because you have for longer than others mean sweet f a. anyway, onto footballing matters and paul jewell, our slump, our players, prospects etc..... so does anyone actually think that sacking paul jewell will solve anything? 3 weeks ago were we not all happy with how we were doing, how the diamond was the best thing since sliced bread and how paul jewells signings were extremely good and we have genuine prospects of going up? excuse me but we were all very positive about life concerning our great club. fastforward 3 weeks and its like the world has ended. it is without doubt that yes we have been absolute garbage recently and criticism is due because yes it isnt good enough. however my point is that at the start of the season a lot of fans on here predicted we would be mid table come the end of the season. so why at this relatively early stage of the season are we wanting the manager, ceo, owner sacked/gone. of course there are limitations to this team and at the moment they are looking like there are more than we actually thought but what is sacking paul jewell going to solve? absolutely nothing because the majority of fans on here would want a new manager, give him 8 months, realize its not all in place and after 3 or 4 bad results sack the manager. give the man a chance for petes sake... yes 9 months is long these days but the point here is that 3 weeks ago we were all happy with paul jewell and positive about the team but after a bad month we are all fed up and want change. yes jwm the bigger picture matters! the sooner you realise that then you might stop sounding like a bi-polar on these boards!
too right Portmanpaul!! Of course this is not to say we should just blindly support Jewell whatever he does but the guy deserves more of a chance, many of the decisions he has made since he has been here have been good ones. I say this because I wanted Keane out without really giving him a chance, but IMO he just didn't show any promise.
