The new name of St Helens stadium for next season. Maybe the KCOM could be the Absolutely Cool, Man Stadium. They have created a vape friendly atmosphere. Unlike the KC where five coppers carried out someone who ignored a steward's demands not to use one.
As you've mentioned it, I don't understand the logic behind vaping and smoking being considered different legally. Once you ban smoking from somewhere in order to protect others from the harmful effects, shouldn't anything that results in others being exposed to nicotine be covered (surely nicotine addiction is a harmful effect)? All the other negative effects require multipleexposures to develop, so it's not like that's a deciding factor. Is there something about vaping that I've missed that means there is no exposure, or was the law just badly written to not cover the potential for things like them? The law wasn't justified as a way of helping quit as far as I can remember so it should only relate to how it affects others.
Nicotine Is the element in tobacco which hooks you but no one is exposed to nicotine through anyone smoking. Or vaping for that matter. The only way to get the nicotine kick smokers crave is to inhale it, you don't get any nicotine effect off someone else's cigarette.The doctor who first established a link between smoking and cancer said that the effects of second smoke were so inconsequential as to be not worth worrying about. I stopped smoking years ago but anyone vaping doesn't bother me, The brewery which owns my local allows vaping, the next pub along from,it doesn't. Can't say anyone in my local is bothered by people vaping so can't see why it should bother anyone in an open space. They allow smoking in stadiums in a number of countries, including .Germany and Spain without anyone suffering ill effects.
Philip Morris may Introduce a brand of cigarette that heats the contents rather than burning. Hopefully reducing a %of toxins released in the smoke vapor. Filthy habit.
If there's no nicotine in the smoke(/"smoke") that would explain the difference as the whole point of the vaping is you get the nicotine without the rest of the crap, but how then does the smoker/user get it into their body, what are they inhaling except for the smoke? If there is nicotine in the smoke the only difference between actively smoking and just being in a smoky pub (all of us over a certain age know how thick the smoke was in some pubs) is the scale of inhalation, and that applies equally to all the other crap in traditional smoke and the ban was still considered necessary so the oddness of the difference is still there. I'm not debating the rights and wrongs of any ban (the open air one even I don't get), neither bothers me in and of itself, it's the contradiction that puzzles me. As long as I know there's going to be smoke when I'm going somewhere I'm fine with it. If I'm not expecting it then the slightest little amount gives me nausea. I know it's psychological, but with vaping not being covered by the ban it's the places that do allow it that if I get caught unaware I have to go outside for a bit, and that's why it first came to mind about questionning the difference.
Keeps the taxes of the non-smokers down though as the government gets far more in taxes than the cost to the health service and saves on paying pensions to those that die early because of it.
To do with the fact the you have to inhale deeply I suppose but the exhaled smoke has a lot of the harmful impurities left behind in the lungs of the smoker. But you don't get any nicotine from second hand smoke. If I could have my life again I would go back and not have my first cigarette, a Gold Leaf when I was 11.
Really? I've heard this argument from smokers for decades but never seen any proof of this being the case. But what I do know is that tons of tobacco related products, stuff like pouches of Samson and the likes, have been brought into the UK over the years from Spain, I don't know about other countries, and not a penny of tax was paid to the UK Chancellor. But those many pouches of tobacco and the other tobacco products still had the same effects on people's health that needed NHS treatment.
The figures regarding revenue from tobacco sales and costs to the NHS are the government ones. People costing the NHS a fortune in treatment for illegal drugs haven't paid a penny in taxes on what has caused their cost to the NHS. Neither have those with AIDS due to unprotected sex or using infected needles.
Many a time in town I've had a large plume of vape blow in my visage from some hunched loser sucking on a contraption the size of a prosthetic limb. It still stinks. It's still full of their dirty breath. And they look like dicks. I'm sure soon enough we'll find out that vaping is also harmful and we elevate it to the same level of anti-social-ness as actual smoking. My mate insists on doing it in pub. The div.
I do vape, but, I wouldn't do it in a public space such as a pub etc. I know what you mean too, I don't have one of those that generates the equivalent of a Meatloaf (ask your dad) concert in smoke, that's usually the types with hipster beards and ear lobe expanders.
I can assure you that vaping is not safe, far from it. It is of course safer than normal ciggies, but the latest research shows one unfolding side effect is the way in can nullify your immune system. This means people who vape are much more susceptible to (mainly) lung infections, which will be more severe and more difficult to shake off. This is absolutely true from first hand experience of a close family member who has struggled for the last few months. Within a week or so of stopping vaping the difference was like chalk and cheese. Vape at your peril, but vaping and catching the flu this winter, well, it's almost like Russian roulette. Research is ongoing at the moment (on animals) and the animals subjected to vaping emissions and infected with colds and flu, well some of them don't make it.
I can happily report that I vape, and I recently had a bad cold. I made it through just fine. You're welcome.
Glad to hear it. But when you start coughing up blood and have to have scans for lung cancer, and it actually turns out to be a vaping relating infection that won't clear up due to the vaping, that's when you get worried.
Not having a go at anyone, we are all adults and know the risks of smoking and drinking.... Just a friendly heads up to anyone that vapes....if you do get a bad cold or chesty infection.....just lay of the vaping as much as possible, or ideally stop and whack some nicotine patches on until it clears up, give your lungs a chance to rest. Genuine warm advice, hopefully taken the right way. Will bugger off now, have a good day.
Ah right, sorry, missed that nuance. If Im that bad, I don't do owt, let alone vaping. Mostly in bed feeling sorry for mesen. I don't pretend its good for me, but it's sure as hell better than actual smoking. Plenty of other things I do that aren't good for me either tbh, vaping is the least of them.
