FIFA Charge Wales For Fans Wearing Poppies

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With a bit of luck this will eventually lead to a split in football whereby the bigger players decide to boycott FIFA tournaments and set up an alternative World Cup etc. How much longer are we going to be insulted by being hauled up for reprimands and punishments for WEARING POPPIES or commemorating lost loved ones. To answer that spokeswoman the other day from Syria, I believe it is not a political symbol. Nor is it religious and nobody is saying that other groups may not use the symbols of their choice to honour their fallen. If anyone could feel offended it would have to be the citizens of those countries that lost the war but, precisely because it is not a political symbol, I am not aware of any resentment to the wearing of poppies by the Germans or the Japanese. Who exactly is it that is being offended by such marks of non-triumphalist shows of respect and sorrow?

If the spokeswoman is right to imply that Africans and Arabs might be offended simple, they can run their own tournaments and leave the rest of us to get on with it. Somehow I doubt that it is the case.

If they want to compete against fellow African or Arab states to win a FIFA World Cup when the rest of us have moved on and the huge funds have been taken away from FIFA they can do so. I doubt whether the players will want to play in those tournaments.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
With a bit of luck this will eventually lead to a split in football whereby the bigger players decide to boycott FIFA tournaments and set up an alternative World Cup etc. How much longer are we going to be insulted by being hauled up for reprimands and punishments for WEARING POPPIES or commemorating lost loved ones. To answer that spokeswoman the other day from Syria, I believe it is not a political symbol. Nor is it religious and nobody is saying that other groups may not use the symbols of their choice to honour their fallen. If anyone could feel offended it would have to be the citizens of those countries that lost the war but, precisely because it is not a political symbol, I am not aware of any resentment to the wearing of poppies by the Germans or the Japanese. Who exactly is it that is being offended by such marks of non-triumphalist shows of respect and sorrow?

If the spokeswoman is right to imply that Africans and Arabs might be offended simple, they can run their own tournaments and leave the rest of us to get on with it. Somehow I doubt that it is the case.

If they want to compete against fellow African or Arab states to win a FIFA World Cup when the rest of us have moved on and the huge funds have been taken away from FIFA they can do so. I doubt whether the players will want to play in those tournaments.
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What a fabulous post Yorkie. I wish I'd written it. <applause> <applause> <applause>
 
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Prompted by RTID's post on the Rememberence Thread, here'e our very own BFG wearing a poppy on his shirt......

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Wonder if he was asked if he felt offended having to wear it.....
 
But I do think they have a valid case against the Republic of Ireland's for the use use of a logo during a friendly against Switzerland in March to commemorate the centenary of the Easter Rising
 
Have a breakaway world cup and then ask fifa what they think and give them the finger.
 
On a day that I'm going to my daughters school assembly, where they are giving tributes to their relatives who fought in the war, by singing 'we'll meet again' and reading their names aloud....I find this FIFA business shocking and outrageous.

Smacks of sour grapes by FIFA to get at the home countries...and I hope we all stand together on this.

Like it or not, politics and sport are intertwined, always have been and always will be.....
 
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Just read the history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA

If the Home Nations left FIFA, they will think they have lost nothing, and will carry on without us. That's why they will win this poppy issue. If the Home Nations left, the sponsorship moneys will all be transferred over to the continent where it all started and will want to reside, and it will just be a FEXIT (FIFA exit) by us, and they won't care a damned thing, as Adidas is a major supplier of everything to the WC, and is a German company with a global hold. If we left, we will just be laughing stocks who they will label as countries from a by-gone era with poor footballing abilities who could not adapt to the modern game of world football, also whose leagues could not survive without inviting the world's players to drum up business and bring in more money, and they will laugh about how corrupt it is in the Home Nations that there is no restriction on said foreign players, which rule basically back-fired in stopping development of home-grown talent.

It's a loss-loss argument. We can't win. If we fight it, billions will be lost and it will become even more political and the situation will be dire.
 
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YappyR said:
Just read the history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA

If the Home Nations left FIFA, they will think they have lost nothing, and will carry on without us. That's why they will win this poppy issue. If the Home Nations left, the sponsorship moneys will all be transferred over to the continent where it all started and will want to reside, and it will just be a FEXIT (FIFA exit) by us, and they won't care a damned thing, as Adidas is a major supplier of everything to the WC, and is a German company with a global hold. If we left, we will just be laughing stocks who they will label as countries from a by-gone era with poor footballing abilities who could not adapt to the modern game of world football, also whose leagues could not survive without inviting the world's players to drum up business and bring in more money, and they will laugh about how corrupt it is in the Home Nations that there is no restriction on said foreign players, which rule basically back-fired in stopping development of home-grown talent.

It's a loss-loss argument. We can't win. If we fight it, billions will be lost and it will become even more political and the situation will be dire.
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It's only football. If we can leave the EU heedless of the damage it may do us because we regard it as corrupt and dictatorial, I think we can do the same with FIFA. Who the **** wants to be at the next two world cups anyway? Don't fight the will of the people, even if the people are wrong!
 
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sb_73 said:
It's only football. If we can leave the EU heedless of the damage it may do us because we regard it as corrupt and dictatorial, I think we can do the same with FIFA. Who the **** wants to be at the next two world cups anyway? Don't fight the will of the people, even if the people are wrong!
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I agree, it's only football. But if we left FIFA, then we won't be playing football against the world in way shape or form except may be only against Commonwealth nations? Hmmmm that's a thought, but that means we would never again play against the best of the world like Germany, Italy, Argentina and France, except in friendly matches. Will the UEFA tournaments be enough to keep the world's players to stay in the PL? All sorts of dire permutations are possible.

FEXIT is not something that will ever happen. Yes FIFA was shown to be corrupt, but it has already re-organized itself anew, and nobody in the world powerful enough called for a totally new break-away membership organization to start over, so they kept the same FIFA offices and re-installed it.
And you can't have Americans take hold of a world footballing organization, so that was never in the books, nor were they ever interested in inviting more of the world to its borders through football, they already felt threatened that "soccer" was becoming too big for them over there, is why they decided to try to dismantle FIFA with spies digging through the muck. But look at what's happened. Big Money spoke, and we just have new leaders at FIFA and a slight re-org.
 
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I agree, it's only football. But if we left FIFA, then we won't be playing football against the world in way shape or form except may be only against Commonwealth nations? Hmmmm that's a thought, but that means we would never again play against the best of the world like Germany, Italy, Argentina and France, except in friendly matches. Will the UEFA tournaments be enough to keep the world's players to stay in the PL? All sorts of dire permutations are possible.

FEXIT is not something that will ever happen. Yes FIFA was shown to be corrupt, but it has already re-organized itself anew, and nobody in the world powerful enough called for a totally new break-away membership organization to start over, so they kept the same FIFA offices and re-installed it.
And you can't have Americans take hold of a world footballing organization, so that was never in the books, nor were they ever interested in inviting more of the world to its borders through football, they already felt threatened that "soccer" was becoming too big for them over there, is why they decided to try to dismantle FIFA with spies digging through the muck. But look at what's happened. Big Money spoke, and we just have new leaders at FIFA and a slight re-org.
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The dire permutations look rather positive to me. Put the national team in a cupboard, it only gives us grief anyway, scrap international breaks, thin out the foreign player contingent, TV gets pissed off and cuts funding, big clubs realise that their business model doesn't work anymore, playing field levelled. Job done.

Anyway, if you take the Brexit analogy further, people will probably think that the rest of the world including FIFA, Brazil, Germany etc, just can't do without us.........yeah, I don't believe that either, it would save them a stack on security for a start.


I really couldn't care less either way. FIFA is corrupt and dictatorial. So is the FA , the PL cabal etc etc. I have no idea and little interest in which evil is lesser. I'd just like QPR to win a few games and play decent soccer (the use of which was commonplace to describe the game of association football in England until the seventies. It is pure inverse snobbery to mock it as an Americanism. As is often the case, they have simply continued using the older English way of saying things after we have moved on).
 
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sb_73 said:
I'd just like QPR to win a few games and play decent soccer (the use of which was commonplace to describe the game of association football in England until the seventies. It is pure inverse snobbery to mock it as an Americanism. As is often the case, they have simply continued using the older English way of saying things after we have moved on).
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Are you taking up Swords' mantle?...<laugh>
 
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