Off Topic Politics Thread

You would've thought Brexiters would now want to respect the ruling of the British court rather than wanting to erode their authority...

...after all, they kept shouting that we needed to put the British courts back in power. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

As an expat above retirement age living in The Netherlands with my Indonesian wife I'm pleased to have deferred my private and state pensions. I'm trying to find out how the Family entry permit rules will change if and when brexit happens. In common with many others I'm convinced a 60% minimum vote should have been the rule for the referendum. The end of first past the post elections is way overdue. The article 50 court ruling if upheld on appeal may, I think, lead to the end of Brexit.

 

Good and hope they lose the appeal. Brexit is going to happen, but May shouldn't be able to do whatever she wants.

 

Brexit will still happen. I just think it will now be a soft exit instead of a hard exit.

 

My dad is one of the key people behind this case, just thought I'd say

 

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Daily Mail have now taken the openly gay bit out, but it's too late. The paper needs to be ****ing burned.

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@MichaelLCrick
Boris Johnson, "Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a Titanic success if it". Perhaps worst speech he's ever made

****1:"What can we use to attack the judges?

****2: "well one charged the the public millions and another likes Europe, but the other one seems ok"

****1: " That sounds great are you sure we have no dirt on the 3rd one?"

****2: " Nope nothing"

****3 (steps in): " Well he is openly gay"

****1&2: "Perfect"

Disgusting.

 

I hope not. For me "Soft Brexit" (I hate this soft/hard terminology but it seems we're stuck with it) is the absolute worst outcome. If we remain in the single market etc then all the things people voted against (mass immigration, regulation and law-making by unelected bureaucrats etc), all the "rules" of the EU will remain in place but we will have no way of participating in the decision-making process when the rules are made or amended.

 

Wouldn't be too sure about that, Beef. There is a gathering momentum to stop it happening.

BTW, agreed, disgusting of the Daily Mail, as per usual, of course.

 

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Man the British press is disgusting.

 

...and people wonder how incidents like the Jo Cox shooting end up happening. Deary me. What a ****ing shambles.

 

Absolutely. Lest we forget, only 52% of the British public who voted wanted Brexit on the day. Which means 48% are supposed to keep their unrepresented gobs shut.? Is that how it's supposed to be? Of those 52% Leavers, how many would continue to vote so a few months on.? Bet it would be nowhere near 100%, whereas the Remainers would be at 99.9%, I bet. This paper media don't report news. They report agenda.

I live under a Tory government, for which I didn't vote for
I live in the shadow of Brexit, for which I didn't vote for.

Thank **** for 3 judges.

 

You just articulated my feelings precisely there TSS, thank you. I absolutely respect those who voted to leave, but they have to realise that the result was so close that us remainers aren't ever going to go quietly. I would, as I said the other day, have accepted a 2/3 majority in favour of leaving, but the devastating, permanent, irrevocable consequences of pulling out of the EU should never have been allowed to be decided by such a slender margin.

Signed

One of the 48% disenfranchised.

 

Indeed, as would have I.

Signed

Another one of the 48% disenfranchised.

 

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Hmm is this real?

 

Depressing stuff.

Because I almost never read the tabloids, I forget how much hateful bile they are spewing onto the breakfast tables of Britain in a daily basis.

 

And btw, nobody should forget [me neither] what an avoidable tragedy the killing of Jo Cox was. And, as you say, with headlines like you highlighted, you can see what helps to catalyse these pathetic acts of violence.

 

Same here. I don't buy or read any paper now

 

An interesting analogy, likening Brexit to swapping houses, based on information given by different parties, but not having viewed the property yourself, or had a survey done.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-blair-new-european-article-9150219

 

On Radio 5 yesterday they were doing a vox pop of attitudes towards living within diverse communities. The general consensus was that people like to live with others like themselves.

This shouldn't really be a surprise. Many/most/significant numbers of people don't like change, and they like to live where they feel they can trust or be trusted.

I grew up in an Italian immigrant family, yet my Mum was English. When I look back I get the vaguest sense that my conscious approval/disapproval of cultural and ethnic differences came from her. It wasn't her fault, she was formed by a totally different time with long outdated attitudes. I'm different. I grew up when the UK was dramatically altering its ethnic balance. So I was educated to appreciate the checks and balances. As far as I know, my Dad wasn't racist. He was a couple of unfortunate things, but not that. My Mum was [is, she's still kicking], I believe, but she kept it largely to herself. I have always believed that I am not racist, but if I'm brutally honest with myself I have to say that I am, because I see the differences first before my rational, educated side takes over. Like me, my sister sees the differences [we talked recently about this] and feels the same way. We are slightly ashamed of ourselves because we thought we were better than that. Our younger generation do not see the differences. They grew up in a culturally diverse world and we didn't pass on any taint of what was inadvertently programmed into us. So they are entirely free of it.

This wrangling with attitudes to ethnicity is going to die out in time with the generations. I would have hoped by now that it was over, but it seems we have to go the long route. As comedian Jim Jefferies said rather well a few years back, society only progresses at the pace of the slowest person. The fastest ones show the way. As it happens, I would have no problems with living in a diverse community, yet I largely don't, although I'm the ethnic minority here. Is that an accident.?