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Grand Prix thread Not606 2016 Mexican Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by taeleon, Oct 25, 2016.

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Who's your pick for the number 1 spot?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2016.
  1. Nico Rosberg

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  2. Lewis Hamilton

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  3. Daniel Ricciardo

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  4. Sebastian Vettel

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  5. Kimi Raikkonen

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  6. Max Verstappen

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  7. Sergio Perez

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  8. Valtteri Bottas

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  9. Nico Hulkenberg

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  10. Other, please state in bold in the thread.

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  1. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Anybody who has put a lid on understands that leaving a track in both of those examples (either as a forced or unforced error) gains time and an advantage - its unsporting and blatantly cheating. It contravenes the rule of completing a full circuit of the race track.
     
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  2. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Just read elsewhere a valid opinion on this, you can't really charge Vettel with anything as FOM make the decision on what team radio gets broadcast, and it's all delayed. If they didn't want his comment bringing the sport into disrepute, they shouldn't have broadcast it. If you start punishing drivers for what they say on team radio it's almost like a thought-police
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    in reality its no different to swearing at a referee or umpire, whether the words can be heard by others or not is irrelevant. You cannot insult the person in charge of an event as you will get sanctioned.
     
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  4. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    True, I guess actually all radio communications are monitored by race control, so Charlie has heard it whether it's broadcast or not.
     
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  5. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Benson has made me smile for once, the subheading on the BBC front page is "Lewis Hamilton keeps title hopes alive [...] in a largely soporific Mexican GP."
     
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  6. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There only needs one rule for fair and equal racing,

    A driver is only allowed to make ONE move in defence of their position.
     
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  7. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    They think it's all over.....





    "There was an abnormal change of direction by car 5 and this was considered to be potentially dangerous"
     
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  8. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Rather than rushing a decision on the whole situation between the three, they should have taken a proper look at everything that occured there, then come to the conclusion that it was about the only good bit of the race and done nothing. :)
     
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  9. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Vettel's ****-o-meter has just broken........
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Imo this is simple.

    1. Hamilton gained an advantage. I think had he done this at 2 other tracks the layout of the required path back to track would have put him 10th or something. can't remember right now which but we have seen a little 2 cone thing you have to go round.

    2. just cos a separate safety car closed gap doesn't mean anything. that it a separate thing. there is actually a case that Hamilton gained a serious advantage under safety car with his flat spot and he would have been swallowed up if not for it.

    3. verstappen clearly pushed Rosberg off track. Rosberg v Hamilton earlier in season this was a penalty. I however am one for a bit of this sort of stuff so.. this was OK for me.

    4. verstappen went across chicane, he then backed vettel into ricciardo. this for me was terrible cheating and I think the penalty for this should be disqualify the little cheat.

    5. Ricciardo benefits big style from verstappen cheating so.... if Vettel put him in a wall I'd be fair enough....


    Basically over the course the fair top 2 emerged. however for next year that chicane and reentry to track needs to be redesigned to make it a big loss to miss corner
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Harsh on Hamilton, not harsh on verstappen.

    As I said track design poor. needs a set of bollards to slowly drive round to get back on and a drive trough penalty for missing them.
     
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  12. eddie_squidd

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    Hamilton's view on the first corner:

    "I had a good start – but it’s such a long way down to Turn One that everyone just got the tow on me. The right front brake disc had glazed on the formation lap and I couldn’t un-glaze it. I thought it might be okay – but when I hit the brakes it just locked up as the temperature came up and I went flying across the grass. I was lucky to get across and rejoin on the other side of the track. I had a big flat spot – and I mean seriously big. I could barely see the end of each straight with the vibrations and I genuinely didn’t know if my suspension was going to last. I was really lucky not to catch it again and either destroy the tyre or have to come in for an early stop."
     
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  13. happyal

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    I don't have Sky, what are they saying?

    Also, can anyone link to Ricciardo's post race interview, I've heard it's interesting and Channel 4 didn't show it.
     
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  14. ched999uk

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    Why oh why do C4 have so much time before the race and a few mins after. No post race interviews. I bet there would have been some good interviews after all the 'fun' at the end.
    My guess is Charlie was behind Vettels penalty and the stewards just used the 'moved in breaking zone' as an excuse as FOM chose to broadcast Vettel's comments.

    As for leaving the track, it's either allowed or it's not. The FIA can't have it both ways just to try and keep competition going till last race. They are just making a mockery of their own rules and making themselves look more foolish.
     
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  15. JonnyBaws

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    Interesting at the start and at the end..
    The inbetween 65 laps were pish poor!
    Agree, penalties need to be consistent, if Max got one, then so should have Lewis..
    I can only assume Lewis didn't get one because those immediately behind him, Max and Rosberg, had their own "issues" in that..
    Rosberg also cut the chicane and Max hit Rosberg, so, a bit like NFL, when both sides bring out the yellow flags, the penalties offset so no further action.
    Also, there was an incident soon after which bought out the VSC and then the SC..
    Think next year, that bit of grass needs to be tarmac'd and a big speed hump placed there or a few bollards placed so that it forms a slow chicane, so should you go straight on, you need to seriously slow down and/or go one side of the bollards, otherwise, you'll def. get a pen!
    Was surprised that DRS wasn't that great here, something to do with the thin air? Had DRS been half decent here, Sergio wouldn't have been stuck behind Massa for most of the race!
     
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  16. EternalMSC

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    Mexican GP 2016 Not606 summary;

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  17. EternalMSC

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    Rachel in particular putting words into drivers mouths in the interview pen, no need to try and amplify the drama in my opinion. Then Di-resta completely glossing over Lewis corner cut at turn 1. Herbert's rosy red cheeks required a smack as well. They were enjoying the chaos a little too much in my opinion, as an F1 I want the sport to look good to people not a farce, and Sky were promoting the farce.
     
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  18. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Under the new Max Rule this was the correct decision. The irony is laughable though.
     
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  19. allsaintchris.

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    I imagine Seb was probably one of the louder voices to get the new rule introduced, then is the first to get penalised by it!
     
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  20. Viva_Giggsy

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    How Hamilton and Verstappen didn't get penaltys at the start was a joke. Didn't Rosberg get a penalty for something similar he did to Rosberg at the German GP.
     
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