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Match Day Thread Cardiff v Leeds Utd Match thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Sep 15, 2016.

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SCORELINE: Cardiff City v Leeds Utd

Poll closed Sep 17, 2016.
  1. 0-0

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  2. 1-1

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  3. 2-2

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  4. 3-3 or higher

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  5. Cardiff by 1

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  6. Leeds by 1

    23.1%
  7. Cardiff by 2

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  8. Leeds by 2

    15.4%
  9. Cardiff by 3 or more

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  10. Leeds by 3 or more

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  1. Farsleyexile

    Farsleyexile Well-Known Member

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    No,no,no and no :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  2. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    He was assessing the changes he'll need to make at Blackburn once Coyle gets sacked. Got to be prepared!
     
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  3. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Strachan was at one of our earlier games and fans also got knickers in a twist over that. Damned camera phones causing havoc again <doh>
     
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  4. LeedsLover

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    I'd love to have Strachan as coach.
     
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  5. dbc

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    Interesting read - may not have had the funding for sales but was given the back to increase wages/facilites for player and wa given time to find and support youth

    http://www.mightyleeds.co.uk/managers/revie5.htm

    'However, his sharp football brain and fascination with systems equipped him well for the role of manager. He had formed a powerful bond with director Harry Reynolds, who succeeded Sam Bolton as chairman in December 1961. The bluff Yorkshireman indulged the whims and fancies of the new man and supported an improvement in conditions for the players.

    It was a calculated gamble but enabled Revie to build a dynasty at Elland Road. The unfaltering loyalty of Reynolds was what really made the difference as the two men set about attracting the best teenage talent in the country to enrich the squad.


    Lambton initiated a youth development scheme in his short spell at the helm and the promising Scottish winger Billy Bremner was an early product. If the idea had been his predecessor's, however, it was Revie who exploited and nurtured the initiative. Revie and Reynolds travelled the length and breadth of the country in search of new blood and were supremely successful in the face of considerable opposition.


    Revie spoke enthusiastically of his plans: "The long term outlook of this club must be based upon youth. No players, however well intentioned and conscientious, can possibly acquire the loyalty that all clubs need to the same degree as those players who start their life with one club and develop throughout the teams. We are basing our plans upon securing the best youngsters there are available, and to that end all schools, youth and junior representative matches are being watched and reported upon."

    He waxed lyrical about the young men who formed the club's Northern Intermediate League side: "We think we have a young team well worth watching, but to get the best out of them, they must be brought along gradually. It is of course frustrating to a football supporter to be asked repeatedly to be patient but I am afraid that is what is required ... the history of football abounds with stories of clubs meeting with success when the days looked darkest. In every instance it was to be found that the people in charge were prepared to grasp success when the tide began to flow their way."

    Perhaps Revie's biggest discoveries were the gifted Scottish forwards, Peter Lorimer and Eddie Gray.

    Under Cellino Lorimer and Gray would have been sold at the first sign of promise under the excuse that they thought they were bigger than Leeds or blaming thir agents for them wanting a pay rise.


    I'm certainly not saying Monk is a messiah - I have no feelings either way beyond saying that he needs time and he needs support and if that's going to be undermined by players knowing they can do whatever they want such as the Silvestri tweet because soon he'll be sacked no manager would ever succeed.

    Plus in terms of being supported - selling your best player for 6 million and then getting a replacement for 1.5 million or on frees is not really supporting the manager.

    But all of this is a distraction from the real problem and the real record we should be looking at which is not Monks after 10 games but an easier one Cellino's after 2 and a half years

    When he bought us were 11th

    End of 13/14 - 15th
    End of 14/15 - 15th
    End of 15/16 - 13th

    Currently - 18th
     
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  6. ristac

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    Again though mate, it depends on what the owner has told the coach... Revie was obviously given time to lay foundations and get the youth team functioning. I remember Wilko being given more time and he also believed in getting a production line of youth. I don't believe for a minute Revie was told get us promotion.

    Monk however... Cellino has told the fans we will get promoted or you can have 50% off next season. Monk walked into this job with the understanding promotion is a must. He signed 12 new players, I agree Grimes is no replacement for Cook but £3m on Roofe plus the other 11

    Monk has also been given free reign on backroom staff, Clotet, Flahaven, Beattie. This isn't pro or anti Cellino, or is it pro or anti Monk. I personally don't see the connection comparing Monk and Revie when trying to justify why Monk should be given more time <ok>
     
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  7. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    I think Cellino is giving a refund if we dont make playoffs Ristac. Thats very different to promotion and also a target were not likely to make. What people need to remember is back in the Dons time, coaches were not sacked willy nilly like now. There was no money in the game to pay them off like now, nor was there the same pressure from fans for success. It was a done thing to have managers in charge for several seasons even if a club didnt win anything. In the top flight, there were only five prizes really, win the league, qualify for fairs cup, win fa or league cup and avoid relegation. Financially most of those were only worth a pittance anyway but by being the top team, you could attract almost any player. However due to the stupid money, thats not the game any more and owners cant be seen to leave a coach in charge for any length of time without apparent success. Thats not just Cellino
     
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  8. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    A great read but not even relevant in todays football world and why? Cos there is a new animal called an AGENT who would not tolerate any player spending his entire career at one club. How would the Don have dealt with those modern day scavengers? Who knows, maybe he wouldnt have been able to handle them at all
     
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  9. LeedsLover

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    I think you hit nail on head with Agent reference Eire, they've certainly helped to change the face of football in UK.

    An agent wouldn't make much money on a player who stays at 1 club for the rest of his footballing career, I also think they exploit younger players for their own needs.

    I would'nt have been surprised if the Don said "If you want to play for Leeds United, ditch your agent".
     
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  10. lr22

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    Strachan was a great player but he's a garbage coach.
     
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  11. ellandback

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  12. lr22

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    I would keep Green in goal to be honest. No to the rest obviously.
     
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  13. Doc

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    Monk needs more time and agree it should be the end of October.

    The football and the commitment in our 2 wins has been great, and if we play like that every week we will do really well.

    Green without doubt is our best keeper

    Grimes was well worth a punt because he is a regular U21 international and needs to carry on developing. The problem with kids is that they go off the boil from time to time. If he doesnt make it back onto the pitch before Xmas he should be sent home in January. He was lined up to replace Cook so that tells you the quality.

    Football is all about opinions and these are mine. I may be wrong but for now I stick with it. Oh and Cellino's a cnut but he's our cnut just now and with luck he will soon be gone. Im still supporting the team until they show me they aint worth it.
     
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  14. ellandback

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    Lee Sobot ‏@LeeSobotYEP
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    Monk: "I have three really good centre backs. For me it's brilliant. For them it's difficult. But all 3 will be needed."

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    Monk: "The whole squad will be used. It's a long season and there are a lot of games."

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    Monk "very, very hopeful" that Bridcutt will be fit for Saturday. Everyone fit apart from Berardi. Roofe back too.

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    Monk on job speculation: "You just control what you can control and make sure you are ready. We did that on Tuesday night."

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    Monk on Dallas: "He contributed well on Tuesday. His job now is to keep improving and keep in the side."

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    Bridcutt did not train today but only half the squad did. Monk will "give him as much time as possible for Saturday."

    Lee Sobot ‏@LeeSobotYEP 33m33 minutes ago
    Monk on Bridcutt: "It's no serious injury, just a bit of swelling. We are very hopeful."
     
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  15. Whitejock

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    Totally disagree with that one. Look what he's done with Scotland. Was given a turd to polish & actually turned it into something good. Be at Wembley Nov 11th to see for yourself! And he doesn't take any nonsense, which is why I think McContract doesn't even make the squad, even though Snoddy's the only competition he'd have.

    And let's not forget what he did at Southampton & Celtic.
     
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  16. Whitejock

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    It would appear that Green's inclusion is a forgone conclusion. Wrong, IMO, but nailed on now.
     
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  17. w.c.dukenfieldesq

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    I remember after the Don became manager Harry Reynolds made an announcement to the crowd telling them that Leeds intended to become one of Europes top teams. There was laughter in the crowd, but I didn't laugh I loved Leeds and I did not like him making promises that would not be kept. He was as good as his word. Harry Reynolds,Don Revie,and the arrival of Bobby Collins was the foundation for the success that followed. When the kids started to come through they began to look like a real team. Up to that time the best team Leeds had was when big John was in his pomp although they had some decent players they were never more than a decent 2nd Division side and John largely carried them. The Revie years were like heaven for the Leeds success starved Leeds faithful.
     
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  18. lifecheshirewhite

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    Take off your blinkers WJ,the Jocks I saw play Malta wouldn't get in the top half of the championship,and won't qualify for the WC but sure you already know that,deep down.:wink:
     
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  19. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    If Malta are that bad, why don't you predict how many you're going to put past them, so we can all have a laugh?

    If we're as bad as you say & you're about 10x better than us (as most english think), then you should score about 50. In fact, as your next match is at home, you'll have the advantage, but let's be conservative & just double your capability, so let's say you only score 100 against them.

    Then again, you had that really embarrassing last-minute (literally) 1-0 away victory against the mighty Slovakia, didn't you? Perhaps we should put you down for a draw? Or a narrow defeat. Roll on October 8th!! :D

    And try not to worry too much about your humiliation on 11/11 - you'll be used to it by then!

    :D :D :D :D :D
     
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  20. Leedsoflondon

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    Don't know if it's true or not but it wouldn't be the first time he's undermined a coach, didn't he refuse to play once due to a lipstick related injury?
     
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