Match Day Thread QPR v Newcastle

mcytiger · Sep 14, 2016

Sutfol said: ↑

1-1 against Blackburn at home was the warning sign. What we have is a lower half championship team at best. The team in general was very poor and Conor Washington offers nothing and needs to go.
The one positive of the evening is the amount of our fans that stayed until the end.
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Washington just runs around a lot with no end product. Worse than Mackie!

ELLERS · Sep 14, 2016

mcytiger said: ↑

Washington just runs around a lot with no end product. Worse than Mackie!
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At least 'Clappy' Mackie clap's but agree he should be a sprinter.

sb_73 · Sep 14, 2016

mcytiger said: ↑

Washington just runs around a lot with no end product. Worse than Mackie!
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That is just about the most damning verdict possible to deliver on a footballer. So now we have Mackie and a worse Mackie.

qprbeth · Sep 14, 2016

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spor...oyd-hasselbaink-pinpoints-difference-11884973

A piece by JFH saying
“Obviously we are very sorry for the supporters. It hurts us as well - I know it really hurts our boys.

“We need the help from the supporters to lift them. We lost together and we win together.

“We lost badly but we lose badly together."

Okay I am really sorry team JFH is right, we are in it together, and he is right I let the team down. I had a sausage roll and a beer JUST BEFORE THE KO.
It was ME!.. I was slow, sluggish, slightly tipsy when I took on Newcastle last night...I should have been tighter on JohnJo Shelvey, I should have followed instruction...yes my head went down after we went 1-0 down.

The team would have been brilliant last night and we would have won...except for me

Ranger4ever · Sep 14, 2016

awjm said: ↑

Here's my 2 cents:

I have a different view from most on here. I do not blame one single player for what happened yesterday. I think it all comes down to unity, or lack of. Unity in the sense that our squad is NOT confident and does NOT believe it is good enough. Unity in the sense that they are NOT working together and they do NOT understand each other and their prospective roles. Unity in the sense that QPR has had a virus for a long time and no manager seems to know how to cure it when coming in. Unity in the sense that we either DO NOT have a suitable game plan for each match or we DO NOT have the confidence and collectedness in order to act it out.

I say this because we would have one of the better squads in the league if every player in the team knew what they were doing, knew what their colleagues were doing, had a good game plan that suited each match and had the confidence to act it out. Even looking at the players as they played last night, I could see that they all have ability and they all have the basic knowledge of an individual footballer. The choice of Perch from the outset seemed actually a good one. He was breaking up play and hurtling himself into some aerial challenges. Conor seemed to be chasing down the defence with some real pace. But as the game went on, the true problems showed themselves.

Each member of our defence seemed to have no idea what the other members of the defence were doing (which was actually the problem of the whole team but showed itself most problematically in our defence). It's like we were taken by surprise completely, expecting Newcastle to play like Rochdale. I actually thought Henry showed talent in a thankless job that basically becomes pointless if the rest of the team cannot do their job or provide an open pass for him to send. Henry is not the only one. Several players truly tried, throughout the whole game. Sadly, a number of other players found themselves shellshocked and unwilling after 2 or 3 goals went in and weren't able to take any more responsibility as they had already shat themselves.

I really do not envy JFH's position. Coming to QPR is immensely hard as a manager. That disease I mentioned... it's not bad attitudes in the dressing room. We've dealt with that. It's the fact that, since our first big bucks takeover, we've gone through countless changes every season. We have barely been able to hold on to a matrix of a squad over any season. Each season there's either a new manager or an almost entirely new squad (this season we've started with a manager who is almost brand new to us and a squad that is more consistent than past seasons but still developing and incorporating new signings). Therefore, keeping a solid playing philosophy at the club has been impossible. We do not have an identity. You may get good individuals coming in but no one will truly know what we're doing or meant to be doing. This was even evident in our promotion season with Harry: we were promoted because we had some good good players, regardless of the fact that we never really got going and it being the most boring season I remember. Maybe we really do need 3 or 4 seasons in Championship obscurity before we really turn into a force.

JFH needs to be adapting and dealing with the situation better, though. We need to be more diverse when it comes to formation and tactics, especially when certain players are unavailable. It is unacceptable to play the exact same system in every game and especially unacceptable to have Washington coming into the team, like for like, when Polter is out without changing the system (some argue we shouldn't have that system to begin with). We shouldn't have two holding/defensive midfielders. I don't think Henry and Cousins can be in the team at the same time. Their roles are too similar and we become too negative with both of them on. We have to pick one or the other (it may be controversial but I'd rather keep Henry as he has a cool head and has played well in the past; Cousins hasn't really shown much of anything since after his first appearance). We shouldn't be chopping and changing the back line in every game (we may have no choice over that now, injuries considered). On the other hand, his substitutions have been fairly good in the majority of games.

We miss Luongo. He's not at the top of his game yet but he brings a creativity and gives options further up the park. Our two new Polish recruits could be a solution in the middle as well, bringing more creativity. Why the hell did we tell Faurlin he may not get much first team football this season? We should have told him he'd get as much football as possible if his fitness allowed. I imagine Shodipo was left out because his lack of experience and confidence was feared in the face of such a good opposition. But really we needed him from the get go. Yeni really didn't provide anything apart from a great cross much later.

And so it comes back to the defence, which is an absolute shambles again. All things would improve or have a better chance of improvement if that could be fixed. And this is where JFH has to take responsibility. He needs to get them well drilled and needs to have an established back line that is only changed if there are injuries. He needs to drill the midfield and wide players so that they cover well and he needs to make us more progressive and creative, which will in itself take the heat off the back four by forcing our opposition into defending.

My ideal lineup, regardless of injuries:

Smithies

Perch Onuoha Hall Bidwell

Shodipo Henry Luongo Ngbakoto

Chery Polter

Polter could be swapped in and out with Sylla.

Luongo could be swapped in and out with the two Polish fellows.

Henry could be swapped in and out with Cousins.

The back line... god help us.

Ngbakoto could be interchanged with Khayati. (this is a position we don't have much going for)

We could also try having Polter and Sylla up front with Chery in a more central role.
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I can't disagree with any of that, precise, constructive and not apportioning blame, but offering a solution.

Shawswood · Sep 14, 2016

Can't wait to read Clive's trilogy on this game
On second thoughts I might postpone reading it until I've won the lotto, for balance

Stanley_10 · Sep 14, 2016

'Why is the bald man allowed to pass to anyone he likes without anyone tackling him'? Said the six year old sitting next to me ! Says it all really.

awjm · Sep 14, 2016

Ranger4ever said: ↑

I can't disagree with any of that, precise, constructive and not apportioning blame, but offering a solution.
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Why thank you

hammersmith junior · Sep 14, 2016

stanleyparkerbowles said: ↑

I still blame Henry
he doesn't tackle or pass the ball forwards
He holds on to it too long then passes slowly to a full back who doesn't want it on his weak foot
Everyone panics and gives it back

This invites every single team onto our defence who then panic more
The other central mid then fears to go anywhere and all we do is either chip it long to someone 5ft 10 with 2 centre backs on him or wait for Cherry to make a move

The left mid is pants how he got in the team ahead of anyone else is beyond me
The new right mid did ok I thought given its a debut and a thrashing when he came on

Shopido did well last week and Washington looked better with him and Chery around him

We need two from cousins luongo and the other new boy I haven,t seen yet in midfield
Or joey and ale back

The full backs and one central mid aren't playmakers and it breaks everything

Let the back 4 defend and the midfield move the ball around quickly
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What the ****s wrong with Sandro ? Our best midfielder by a country mile !

IwasanotherwatfordR · Sep 14, 2016

awjm said: ↑

Why thank you
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Sorry AWJM but I really have to disagree with you. Every R's player, to a man, gave a significantly inferior performance in every way, to their opposition player. As regards unity, we were not a team last night but more a deposit of players.

I should add that the crowd were amazing and really tried to lift the team. The supporters did not deserve what they got in return. JFH & co should be ashamed.

sheffordqpr · Sep 14, 2016

I have tickets for Huddersfield on Saturday. I am so NOT looking forward to that!!!

YappyR · Sep 14, 2016

Not a single word from Tony on his Twit account. Not even an inkling of whether he watched the game and what he thought. What sort of owner do we have? May be he's thinking about selling us now. I don't think he has a clue as to how to run a football club

rangercol · Sep 14, 2016

qprbeth said: ↑

The Toon lot who have come on here seem to be a really nice lot (obviously after last night they would be happy)....but no trash talk...Thanks for that, as we are all very delicate.
Wish the Toon army all the best for the rest of the season....best team I have seen for a number of years.

Thinking of whether you get a new record points total in winning the championship or not.

I haven't heard anything about Perch, I hope he plays again for us soon...he is the best RB we have in the club
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He isn't.

Dorty Dogbreath · Sep 14, 2016

We've all been trounced one time or another fellas, we (Newcastle) are currently on the wrong end of an eight game winless run against the mighty Sunderland....yeah, I know, we are the only team out there who can't beat them!

**** happens in football, I guess.

Anyhow, good luck for the rest of the season fellas

qprbeth · Sep 14, 2016

Who is the best RB in the club at the present moment then Col.

ELLERS · Sep 14, 2016

I notice Clive at LFW didn't hold back in his report. His last line says it all.

rangercol · Sep 14, 2016

qprbeth said: ↑

Who is the best RB in the club at the present moment then Col.
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Ned.
I would imagine the U18's right back is better than Perch.

qprbeth · Sep 15, 2016

rangercol said: ↑

Ned.
I would imagine the U18's right back is better than Perch.
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Sorry Col, strongly disagree here...Ned is no RB.
Perch is a better back..Perch has had some decent performance this season

awjm · Sep 15, 2016

IwasanotherwatfordR said: ↑

Sorry AWJM but I really have to disagree with you. Every R's player, to a man, gave a significantly inferior performance in every way, to their opposition player. As regards unity, we were not a team last night but more a deposit of players.

I should add that the crowd were amazing and really tried to lift the team. The supporters did not deserve what they got in return. JFH & co should be ashamed.
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No where did I say any of our players matched theirs. Watching them felt like watching a good premier league side, not even a lower table one.

finglasqpr · Sep 15, 2016

qprbeth said: ↑

Sorry Col, strongly disagree here...Ned is no RB.
Perch is a better back..Perch has had some decent performance this season
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Has he Beth? Just my luck to miss them. Onouha is not a natural full back but he offers much more than Perch based on what I have seen.

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