depends on formations. for starters... part of a 3 at the back, 5 in the middle+ wingbacks, 2 up top or sub for defoe to help hold the ball up in games we're winning
A big physical presence up front, creating a bit space for our front runners to exploit, an alternative not open to Moyes with the current squad. Under the circumstances we find ourselves, in a sound move at little expense imo .
I prefer this than the watmore or adnan alternatives should Defoe get injured and offers different long ball option, so let's see
How about we change our limited one dimensional setup? We've got a back to goal centre forward and multipule players who can play CAM. We've also got a CM who can pass a ball, 2 if the Hoff is fit. We can stop being so utterly and frustratingly predictable at long last. The tactic board is our oyster.
It's hard to gauge where we are at the moment, the first test against Everton will tell us a lot. I feel like Moyes could turn us into a solid hard to beat team just hope we have enough to cause a threat going forward. Vic certainly us defend from the front if he can hold the ball up as we are a bit lightweight in that department. I think everyone already agrees he won't score the goals so I'm sure he will be used mainly to hold onto leads......I just hope we have enough to get the lead in the first place!!!
Jesus dude, get some imagination. We've the players now so we don't have to spend 90 minutes under wave after wave of attack and you want to keep things the same? Bloody hell, I'll be mortified if we do that. So predictable and easy to play against. We've got a back to goal forward and 3 who can play CAM, why not try playing in our opponents half with a defensive line that isn't on the edge of our own box for 90 minutes? More teams are playing 442 than there has been in a long long time thanks to Leicester. There's old formations back in fashion usable against other 442 set ups. there's three at the back as we're low on wingers and two very very capable attacking wingbacks. We've got options mate. Balls to the same old **** different day imo. This why building a squad is so important, so you have competition, options and the ability not to be so transparent. I for one hope to see Moyes installing a new look Sunderland now the window is closed. Sick off the old ****. It's was ****e.
Good points. I feel we'd have taken all 3 points, at Southampton, if we'd had Anichebe to bring on at 1-0 up. He'll cling onto the ball until he gets back up or draws a foul ....... either way he's an attribute if used properly. And despite what many think I believe he's score goals, how the Mags can laugh when they've had the likes of Riviére etc Whatever the case we need to give him a proper welcome when he comes on for the first time.
Agreed Mate, Heskey would have added a new dimension we've been that limited with options Time to make other teams sit deep, especially at home. I want us camped in the opponents half at home this year. It's good to have the option of a pain in the arse in the forward line, even if he doesn't get many goals.
That's the 5-5 formation isn't it? 5 forwards(wingers, insides & a CF) and 5 backs(half backs & fullbacks) Would be fun to see two modern teams play it against each other.
Apparently Barcelona under Guardiola played 235 against Getafe in 2012, so maybe we'll see City play that this season. It's how I always used to set up my Subbuteo team
I just don't see him as getting in the first 11, plan B yes as stated when it's not working change it. I just think we have far more talented options in Defoe, Khazri, Januzaj and Watmore. If those options are not working then we change to plan B and bring him on as another option. Just my opinion of course. If any of us knew what we were doing we would not be on here discussing it but earning a living coaching. I am extatic to just still be playing every week and not be a crock.
Plan A should be plan B now as far as I'm concerned. Time for whole new plan A I'm staggered you can't see how ****e it's been. Time to use the variation we have instead of the same old ****. We've got enough in the right place to finally start developing our style. I'm looking forward to playing Moyes way instead of the old way which was the only way. Why limit ourselves when we're no longer limited? That wouldn't make sense. This is a progressive sport, stand still go backwards. I'm not a coach because I haven't followed that avenue and no other reason, because I'm not one doesn't mean I have no football knowledge, continue to rubbish folk if you please but I think you're wrong. I think people on here have a wide variation knowledge of football. We're not all collected into one uniformed pile and I believe you don't have to be a coach to understand football. I'm happy with my understanding of the game and feel I know enough to put my side forward. You've got people like Nads and 83 who have a fantastic depth of knowledge then there's people like monty who spout gibberish and have a very one dimensional view of the game. So I disagree completely with that last paragraph. I wouldn't put everyone in the same pot.
Whilst i get the points about him giving options I totally agree with you, he's been brought in solely as back up. He will get a few minutes here and there to rest Defoe, maybe they will play together for fleeting parts. This isn't, despite the possibilities, a signing with tactical mastery from Moyes behind it.
My point is he should be utilized as and when needed. I've not said at any point he should be considered ahead of anybody, my thought also extends to Januzi or Khazri(which is why I mentioned them) playing in the hole to suport Defoe. Just saying were not forced to play the same way as we have been doing. It would be daft to continue to do that cause it was ****. Why have have plan a,plan b etc when we can have a few plans and pick the one best suited to beating our opoanant? This is my point. It's not a matter of so and so ahead of so and so. That couldn't be further from my point.
And I did say I get the points, although I will go back and correct the spelling! I'm saying I don't think that's lead Moyes train of thought in anyway, it's a body in. Hopefully he gets for and does add value and is indeed used in that way, I completely agree that the ball coming back at us costs us dearly. The defence has been and will be very good but there's no team on earth that can maintain that total focus, error free, for the sustained periods of pressure we've allowed ourselves to come under right back to the Bruce era. We need to press higher and retain the ball better, we do that well when mackenbauer is fit as was evident in the excellent end to last season. Defoe simply doesn't have the strength and energy to keep the ball for endless periods after 70mins.
I find it very hard to believe Moyes hasn't considered the type of extra body we need to give him options regardless of how often he intends to use him. We need still need extra bodies in. He turned NZog away. Surely if it was just for bodies in with no further thought he'd be in too. I take it if bodies is all that matters we'll be filling the final squad places with any old free agent just for the sake of filling the squad. Nah I don't buy it. He knows the lad well, he's brought him in again. He must bring something we don't have. The fact he's the only back to goal cf in the squad it's my guess that's why. For the option to play a back to goal cf.
