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Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Terror ball, May 29, 2015.

  1. swan_and_only

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    I didn't say chairman though. I said director of football. He could be someone who is answerable to the board but there to assist the manager. He's experienced in football and there to help the board members who don't have that experience.
     
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  2. Stereo

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    At this point YES frankly. I have no experience of running a club but I'm sure I would be able to protect us more than HJ is at the moment. It's not rocket science.
     
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  3. Jager

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    A director of football? That is a made up position that has no meaning, I'm sure Curt has a say in football matters at the club, he and Huw have been working together for years. The board are now in the US, so there has to be someone running the day to day things here, I can't think of anyone better than Huw to run things here.

    For those wanting Huw out, tell me who you want in his place?
     
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    The way it works is

    Club make a bid for player

    Club accepts / rejects bid

    Club can talk to player to negotiate personal terms

    While Ash is contacted to the swans, the club can refuse to sell. however, if Ash wants to go, if the valuation is met (too low IMO) the club should sell as it's the right thing to do. But I don't think you can say Ash is just any other player. He's been instrumental in our rise to the premiership and our captain. he's done so much for this club selling IMO is a mistake. You can't say he's no different to gomis.

    Also I don't think we're falling to peices, we're worried, especially with the new owners. there is a difference.
     
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    How is that a made up role with no meaning??
     
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    ....but you're using the benefit of common sense. Something which seems in short supply at the club.
    You also missed out the word 'suitable' in terms of replacements.
     
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    Yes, players come and go, but none are coming at the moment.
    You say that Huw is the one staying, but he's not in demand by another club is he ?
     
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    We are now in a very serious,serious situation here.

    Our worse fears since it became knowledge about the takeover are becoming true.
     
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  9. Jager

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    Do you really think that the player has no say? The club will pass on any bids to the player, if the player says yes I want to speak to them then he does just that. If he says no then the club will reject on his behalf.

    And being sentimental because it's Ash has little meaning, yes he helped us on the rise, I'm not taking that away from him, but he's 32 soon, a club is offering £10m for his services, how much more can he give us? I would say 2 seasons maximum in the position he plays!

    If he wants to go then be grown up about it, thank him for his services and wish him well at his new club, can I ask were you this emotional about Allen and Bony leaving?
     
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    Because that is what our chairman does, there is little point of having two people doing the same job. Curt will have a say as first team coach, we don't need a so called director that has little meaning in a club such as ours.
     
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    You simply don't know that! The window is open until the end of the month. As for Huw, he's a shareholder of this football club, he would have to give that up to go elsewhere, and do you really think that he'd give that up as a fan of the Swans? Would you give it up?
     
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    I am being grown up about it.My concern is the lack of incoming players.Nothing more nothing less.
     
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    I shall be sorry to see Ash leave because he has been a great player for us but last season I thought we saw the first signs of a decline. So to get a transfer fee, which is not unreasonable given his age, is not necessarily a bad thing. What is concerning is that we do not seem to have been in the market for a replacement. Our starting centre backs will, be Fernandez and Amat with an untried and tested young centre back as back up. It is still a bit of a concern that we have not signed the two forwards we need. I would like an experienced striker such as Ulloa, who is not too old and a young hungry one to play with him. However time is getting short.
     
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    Ayew the next one out the door?

    From Sky sports

    STANDBY WEST HAM FANS....

    Couple of signings getting close, hope to have some news soon. dg

    — David Gold (@davidgold) August 2, 2016
     
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    OK I suggest you actually read what I've posted. I said if Ash wants to leave then it is the right thing to do. And in previous posts have said that 10M for him is fair for a player at his age but undervalued for a player of his stature at our club. My valuation is based on more aspects than his age and how many years he has left. His role goes beyond that of other players at the club.

    Also I don't appreciate you accusing me of being petulant because I haven't been. How can I wish him well when he hasn't officially gone yet.

    No I wasn't upset with Bony and Allen because they are replaceable (Bony being difficult) Id like to clarify that Im not upset I'm worried/concerned there is a difference.
     
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    You asked who could replace Huw so that means Huw is gone and I said Curt can fill the gap as a sporting director. Thats what Huw is now basically.
     
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    The valuation is on his abilities not on sentiment, he's only worth what someone else is willing to pay for him, Everton has no such sentiment towards Ash, if he goes there it will be for what he can offer them nothing more. And I did say thank him for his services if he goes!

    As for him not being replaceable, frankly that is absurd he's replaceable like any other player at the club, as past history has shown, I mean Ash replaced someone didn't he? And other players replaced Allen and Bony in varying degrees of success.
     
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    Huw is the chairman of the club and holds the purse strings for the board, they ultimately will have the say on money spent, that won't change with the yanks. You seem to think that Huw works in entire isolation and doesn't take on board what others say at the club. Really the open the cheque book comments of Huw is completely and utterly delusional, it's not his to open as I've said on here many times.
     
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    Actually you didn't say "if he goes" you only said;

    Its more than just sentiment, I actually can't understand how you fail see that.

    I totally agree with this article and encapsulates my thoughts on our situation. I've copied and pasted it for you;

    No player is bigger than a club – but some have a stature that's hard to ignore.

    It is true of Ashley Williams and Swansea City.

    Because when the club captain leaves the Liberty, the big player with the big personality and big heart can go knowing he had a big say in Swansea's story over the past eight years.

    And he leaves a giant hole as a result.

    Not so much as a defender, even if the player signed from Stockport for £400,000 has established himself as one of the most respected and reliable centre-backs in the British game since first arriving in South Wales in 2008.

    But the hole he leaves is the one in the dressing room, on the training ground, in its heart.

    Williams is no born-and-bred Jack as his booming West Midlands tones will tell you, but – just as he has with Wales – he became a proud native through his constant commitment to the cause.

    There are many attributes to Williams' game you can talk of, such as the mix of comfort on the ball and his love of the physical tussle that made him such a fit for the Premier League and for Swansea.

    But those things can be replaced. It may be a case that Swansea's existing players step up or a replacement has already been eyed-up (James Chester, anyone?) and, as happens in football, there is a new hero around the corner and the impact on the team isn't as was feared when the departure story first breaks.

    What Swansea will struggle to find is someone who has been such a bedrock for the club, taking on the same values from those who had been at the club in worse times and impressing it on newcomers as the new managers and new eras came and went.

    When there has been bumpy parts of the rise, Williams hasn't been far away from being key in stabilising. Francesco Guidolin spoke of his important relationship with the captain last season of getting ideas across and players to buy into them.

    Lukasz Fabianski mentioned how, after one particularly worrying defeat, Williams was one of the players who spelt out the need to step up regardless of uncertainty of managerial situation at the time.

    There are plenty of stories down the years of how he has made it be known in no uncertain terms what was expected as standard at Swansea and would be one of a hardy few who would front up and face the questions after defeats, just as Garry Monk, Alan Tate and Leon Britton would do. Only one is left now.

    He has demanded the best and usually delivered it himself – and didn't escape his own wrath when he dropped below it. In a Swansea career that took in two promotions, a Wembley win, European football and a string of historic results, it wasn't often.

    Williams' worst days were often when he let the troubles of the team or concerns for teammates affect his own game; he was always better when he could just concentrate on his own performances.

    And for that you can see why he might have been attracted to a fresh challenge. There have been opportunities for him in the past to leave the Liberty.

    Some have not gone further than headlines, some just the informal conversation. Then there were the hard and fast bids or the genuine interest, but Williams has not angled for a move given that he has always felt settled at Swansea.

    After the highs of Euro 2016 and the draining impact of last season, perhaps this was the right time for him in what would probably be his last chance of a move to a club of a big enough stature that Swansea fans should be able to wish him well at.

    One of Swansea's bigger earners, the wages on offer at Everton wouldn't have been a huge factor in the move, but the thought that it is probably the right time and the right offer to go would have.

    From a Swansea point of view, collecting £10m for a player who would be seeking a new (no doubt improved) contract as he entered the last two years of his existing deal and turning 32 this month won't be seen as bad business. If the player was keen to go, and having blocked moves before, it makes sense to cash-in now rather than let things drag on.

    Still as the interest in Andre Ayew continues and the search for a striker continues, it is not a brilliant first impression from the new majority shareholders, even if it is Huw Jenkins who is still running the day-to-day and will have been likely to have given the green-light on the deal having previously weighed up when the time would be right to finally accept a bid for the skipper.

    Having done so, there are big challenges to be faced.

    For Williams, it is that he can still be the big player and personality in unfamiliar surroundings.

    For Swansea, the big challenge for them is not to replace him as a player, but to deal with the loss of a player who was a big part of its modern-day heartbeat.
     
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