Summer Dismantle 2016

Just seems a more suitable thread for sticky at the top of the page given what's going on.

 

What is going on? Getting rid of players who haven't worked for us happens every year, we go from them to other players who may work for us! Every club does the same

 

For whatever reason , Paloschi wanted to go or the club wanted him to go .Although I really thought he was our ticket this season out of our striker problem , he had little time to make an impact and made little impact .
Although I wanted to keep Eder and thought he might show some promise , he was given 269 minutes of play , how much impact can you have ? .
After the first 4 games Gomis had very little impact , like most of the team .
These are the only players to leave or almost sure to leave .
None had any impact .
Monk leaving had a ton of impact .
Curtis stabilizing us had a ton of impact .
Guidolin coming in had a ton of impact .
Ayew moving to the striker position , although a slow start , had a ton of impact .
1.5 points a game our last 16 games under Guidolin with Paloschi , Eder and Gomis having little impact .
The players we have got got those 1.5 points a game the last 16 games ... without the players that left or look like they are leaving , people are not giving enough credit to what the players accomplished the last half the season .
Personally , I'm very happy with signing Fer and Van Der Hoorn and some young guns but hope to sign at least one quality striker in the next .... 6 WEEKS .
Don't hold Monk's terrible 15 game start against Curtis , Guidolin and the players fierce fight back the rest of the way .

 

Agree with much of what is said above - but at the end of the day - we have sold (assuming Gomis does go) ALL our recognized strikers. Ayew is a makeshift. If we get replacements in that are of suitable quality fine - but there I so little movement - it is more than concerning. Fer a decent signing - the defender - who knows - will have to wait and see if he can break into the first team.

Its striker position we have a major problem - cannot rely on players playing out of position, and midfield long term.

So dismantle is the right word - since that is what has happened to the most critical part of our team - the strikeforce - yes last year all three didn't make a huge impact - but you have to have options.

 

But we get rid of players before we bring players in, surely that would be sensible thing to do, the two who have gone already didn't work for us, so have to be rid of, and I believe we recouped money. Gomis has to go before we sign someone, if he doesn't go then we sign his replacement it leaves us exposed to high wages.

The transfer window is a two way street, players go and players come in, concentrating on one aspect is a little silly, the club knows what they are doing, they are not stupid despite what some fans think!

 

The funny thing for me , maybe not so funny , I believe Paloschi , Eder and if he goes Gomis will have a major impact to the club's they 've gone too .......utilizing strikers is as much our problem as their problem is my point .
On a side issue , of the teams in the Premier this season over the past 5 seasons , we are the only team that MADE money on net transfers on average over those 5 seasons . We've averaged a net gain of half a million each season .
Over that 5 seasons we've averaged just over 10 th place .
So our " Transfer " situations are not all bad news , bit of credit is due IMO .
Transferleagueco.uk..........For transfer info I've put up

 

It is as long as what you bring in is better and or we actually are able to bring someone in, as I have said I do believe we will sign a striker and am hoping there is a lot being done behind closed doors. To say concentrating on one aspect isn't silly if we go into the season with out a striker and I understand fans concerns and they have every right to be concerned. We have just been taken over, no one knows whether they are going to sell off our assets or be good owners and invest in the club, but their silence is deafening. because what ever happens this season the Yanks get their money back due to TV money, maybe I am linking the 2 unfairly but it does worry me a little.

 

I'll go back to the current owners of the club are not stupid, they won't get rid of players without knowing they are confident in replacing them with potentially better players. I'm not having a go at you , but I'm convinced that some fans think that the guys who have run the club for more than 10 years are simpletons and don't know what they are doing!

On the new owners, they cannot say anything until they do actually take over, a scenario would be if you buy a house, you cannot move in until you complete, it's a similar thing with these yanks. I'm not sure if these guys will be good or not for the club, I have a feeling that people like the Glazers have taken over, so have no confidence. But I don't think we will be having anything major happening until everything is done.

 

I thought they had signed on the dotted line or haven't they

 

They've signed I think but the transfer of ownership hasn't happened yet, until that is done we are between owners right now

 

I would say it is more sensible to get rid of a player, and replace, rather than get rid of everyone in a position in a team, and then hope to be able to backfill with equal or better. Its putting all your eggs in one basket. If we sold Eder, and Poloschi - we have Gomis worst case if we cannto get anyone else decent in - even if he had a poor season last year. To get rid of all three before even 1 new replacement comes in is high risk tactics imo.

Others teams will know our predicament - and we can end up being held to ransom for anyone decent in that position from now.

 

That is a good point actually and hadn't looked at it that way, we could well end up paying more the we needed to.

 

I won't go into total panic about our striker situation unless Ayew heads out the door .
He was changed to the striker position and after getting used to the position with Curtis and Guidolin , he has warmed to the position with 4 goals in his last 3 League games .
But if a top end striker does comes in , I would prefer to sell Ayew and bring in a cheaper 2nd striker .

 

I give in.

 

We got all this time put into playing Ayew as a striker .
We don't have any strikers .... There is a total open position that Ayew can play regular without learning another new position .
Ayew probably has guaranteed money after his free transfer , like Gomis .
It's in our best finacial interest to keep him IMO .
If he stays and plays #1 striker , we grab a cheap back up and away we go .
If we buy a top striker who will play that position almost all games , what the fuk do we do with Ayew ?
When he plays the wing he scores a few goals but we lose our width .
Attacking midfielder ....what do we so with Siggy ?
We sell Ayew , make a bundle and buy another back up striker and retain our width .
Not rocket surgery ....and your not the only one that gives in .....I don't come down on you every time you have an opinion lefty

 

But you don't know what position we are in with other players or teams in relation to signings, the presumption is that we haven't actually done anything in bringing in players, we are not floundering around as if nothing has been done.

And as for other clubs knowing our predicament, well they would have to be profoundly stupid not to know, we had a striker scoring 6 goals in the league, we had another basically not playing in the team, and Eder out on loan for half the season.

Now they know where we are standing with things, we have basically got rid of one player to date as Eder was gone already, and when Gomis goes that will be a second player. Generally people weren't happy with these players, so instead of being excited about who we are going to bring in in replacement, I see just people moaning about things.

I am looking forward to seeing who we bring in, and what impact they will have on the team.

 

I'm not sure about moaning, but Poloschi, Eder, and Gomis look all gone, that leaves Emnes? ..........


PS: Ayew's best position is behind the striker in the no 9 roll, that was evident from last season, a striker he is not.

 

And Barrow

 

Ayew scored a third of his goals in his last three games last season .....as a striker I believe
So , we sign Allen for 11 to 14 million and drop Ayew to the midfield....To join Cork , Ki , Fer , Britton and Siggy .
7 players to share 3 midfield positions ..... And some laugh at us signing a keeper because we are heavy in that position .
We scored half of our goals last season in Guidolin's 16 games , most with Ayew not playing the wing .
When we started playing normal wingers instead of Ayew , Siggy scored 7 of his 11 goals because of the extra room created in the middle IMO .
Players that never scored , got goals ...Cork , Barrow , Williams , Fernandez , Ki , Routledge .
Our best season ever had most games started by the duo of Dyer and Routledge .
The next season Monk dropped these two in favour of Montero ( not ready to start games ) , and Ayew ( abandoned the wing ) and things went south quickly .
If Ayew isn't our starting striker because we spend big on a striker , cash him in .Thats my opinion .
A striker .....is a person put in that position , expierence or not .

 

Mate everyone of those scored a league goal last season.