Off Topic Impact of Brexit on Football

Because Farage specifically said that it was UKIP's policy to discriminate against people who were not British in relation to getting jobs (again, you only need to google it - I'm not playing the "I need EVIDENCE, your EVIDENCE is not good enough" - it's all very easy to find because it's there .[/QUOTE]

In a world full of positive discrimination, why should a country not be able to preferencially treat it's own citizens and businesses? It is this opening of the door that means companies can hire abroad instead of invest in training of the British people. This helps the corporate businesses in a race to the bottom in local wages. This is why a sensible points based policy makes sense to me.

What does erudite mean?

Bah!

 

It's an old fashioned type of glue that binds this thread together

 

In a world full of positive discrimination, why should a country not be able to preferencially treat it's own citizens and businesses? It is this opening of the door that means companies can hire abroad instead of invest in training of the British people. This helps the corporate businesses in a race to the bottom in local wages. This is why a sensible points based policy makes sense to me.

What does erudite mean?

Bah![/QUOTE]

Either invest in training/developing UK workers or they simply shut up shop in the UK and open up in lower paying countries such as Slovakia.

The trouble is that a lot of the jobs we are talking about are not high skilled and high tech. The only reason migrants get the job is that they are prepared to do the work whereas the indigenous population will not do that sort of work. See how many people you can find in the local job centre willing to work on the fields for the living wage - not many I suspect. Employers are not idiots and they are not all evil corporate types either. Give me a hard working Pole over a lazy Englishman any day of the week. If you cannot get a job in England with English as your first language because a Pole or Spaniard gets it then you should really look to yourself not blame the Pole or the Spaniard.

This is the thing I really cant stand about UKIP and their supporters - everything is always someone else's fault and they create support by peddling fear and xenophobia.

 

On Rob's point regarding UKIP being inherently racist but its supporters not necessarily being so individually an easy parallel (and not that I'm comparing the two in any way) would be to say that very few Germans who voted Hitler into power in the 30's were in favour of the Holocaust but they too weren't overly keen on certain nationalities either and allowed the politics of fear to sweep them along with the tide. Again NOT accusing any on here of Nazism/anti-semitism regardless of their opinion of UKIP.

I think that if your core principles are that your people are somehow better or more deserving than others and that it is acceptable to discriminate against a person solely on their nationality or race then it is a step down a road I don't want to travel on.

 

Didn't Gordon Brown once say "British jobs for British people"?

 

Yes. Many politicians from either side will something to try to get peoples votes. I am not trying to say that either of the main parties have huge amounts to be proud of when it comes to immigration but I don't see UKIP as a reasoned answer

 

Possibly. I'm no Brown fan.

 

Positive discrimination is prohibited under EU law. It is still discrimination

 

Tell that to Dublin and the BBC after a doubtless well off ex footy pro got expensive special training because of his ethnicity to aid diversity!

Bah!

 

I'm afraid I really don't follow! Sorry Melchy

 

Positive discrimination! It's bad enough that it is positively discriminating as a fund toward ethnic diversity if you don't believe in such things. But to pay for expensive training for a millionaire! I realise that doors should not be closed to anyone worthy irrespective of gender, race or orientation but proping it open with a gold wedge for a group because someone says there should be more on telly or exec boards or whatever is not more right!

Bah!

 

You're right it's not ok - it's discrimination and it is prohibited under EU law. To the extent that you have seen it, you should report it.

 

It can hardly be missed it's been in a number of the national papers, Dion is a former Canary and a slightly better one than the dross around him. I can't grass him up!

Bah!

 

Ok here in a nutshell is the problem in the UK. 70-80% of the UK could be thinking meh, meh, meh, cheaper food -supermarket price war, yes! Meh, meh, meh. The rich push money around and hurt the working classes far more than a nations independence could ever. Investment and the money merry go round could happily continue if the self interested at the top of the gravy train weren't trying to shaft everyone to live in the biggest mansion on the biggest private island, with the biggest boat to take them there!
Good stuff yhis Spanish beer!

Bah!

 

So if a cabal of the rich are moving money around to bleed the rest of us dry how does leaving the EU help?

I do agree with you that most of is live within our own little bubbles and as long as our basic needs are met we are mostly content. That said as and when inflation kicks in due to the weakness of sterling or finance becomes more expensive and expensive to obtain people may look back with a sense of regret on the referendum.

 

Leadsom is terrifying and I'd be scared for where this country and its people are heading if that's what we end up with. Wants to scrap min wage, maternal/paternal rights and pension rights. Britain First gushing about her as their preferred candidate.

Viva la revolution!

 

Confirmed: May vs Leadsom for PM

Gut feeling Leadsom has far more support of grassroots Tories who are more Eurosceptic, I 'May' (pardon the pun ) be wrong but I think that the final vote will be a lot closer than people think

 

We can only hope that which ever of them wins it will become leader of the opposition!

 

I cannot see where Labour go Dave. Corbyn has huge support in the country and none in the HOC. That will end in tears and possibly the formation of a new party. I actually think that there could be a small revival of the Lib Dems and Farron is growing as a decent energetic leader.

 

I see that our next PM will be a woman (most likely Theresa May), but I'm pleased to see that it won't be Gove