Off Topic Impact of Brexit on Football

Oh yes, thank you

 

What Obama thinks will be irrelevant in a few months time. Bet we won't be at the back of the UK when America needs other countries troops to form some dodgy coalition in another foreign conflict.

 

We now have Tony Bliar coming out and saying that the referendum result should be overturned if it is the will of the people. WTF the will of 17,000,000 people is that we LEAVE the bloody EU you moron. Bliar is like a sticky piece of dogshit that you just can't shake off your shoe. It is also now being reported that he won't stand trial for war crimes following the Chilcott report, but troops may be prosecuted for same. Really you just couldn't make it up

P.S. Andrea Leadsome for PM as she has said she would have a full Brexit by next year

 

Hi Rob bor, Can't wait for our new PM of this government accountable to 60m, democratically elected by 150,000. Sorry bor, you will have to be like me and be patient. Didn't see you show that concern when Cameron was elected by those same Tories.

 

You mean the same David Cameron who had to seek a mandate from the people by standing in two general elections in order to be elected to the highest office? There's no comparison to be made there. Gordon Brown is the closest comparison in recent years.

 

Yes, the same, he had to secure the confidence of the Tory party first. In the first election instance he didn't get the support of the electorate and formed a coalition with the LibDems. Second instance he got that mandate.

 

Which isn't at all the same as winning the Tory party election and immediately becoming PM. As will happen with May/Gove/Leadsom/Fox/Crabb. I honestly don't see how you can argue that being chosen by 150,000 Tory party members to be leader and therefore PM, is the same as winning a general election as the leader of the opposition.

 

DH bor, Being elected leader of the Tory party is not the same as being PM, first the leader has to lead the party to win a General Election. As he has successfully led the party to an election victory he has to form a government. Your mate Rob thinks that the 150,000 Tories elect a PM on behalf of 6m voters. Why don't you put him right ? Where is my argument referring to the leader of the opposition ?

As will happen with May/Gove/Leadsom/Fox/Crabb. that is the procedure the Tories now have to undertake, they are the current government and need a replacement for Cameron. Who they select will become PM. They don't have to refer to the electorate to make that decision even though Rob fails to understand that.

 

When you vote in a general election, your one vote is both a vote for your local MP, and also a vote for a political party. The thoughts, views and ideas of the leader of that party play a significant role in the message that that party sell in the lead-up to a general election. Cameron convinced the Tory party that he was the one to back, because the ideas and thoughts he expressed were ones that won support from the most conservative party members. The Cameron brand of Conservative politics is what won the general election for the party. Whilst I accept some people vote in a general election based on their opinion of the local MP candidates, I suspect a great deal more care about the national-level parties they are voting for. You cannot say the thoughts and views of the leader of a political party are irrelevant to an election.

The conservatives won the last election with Cameron leading. Whoever takes over will not have won a general election, yet their vision will shape the future of this country. If Theresa May wins the conservative party leadership on a pro-EU stance, then she does so by convincing 150,000 Tory members, despite the fact that 52% of those who voted in the referendum disagree with that stance.

I'm fully aware that the new Tory leader has no need to win a general election. The point is that they will become PM on the basis of what 150,000 people want, not what the country chooses. Those 150,000 people are not representative of the general public. If we had a general election in September and Andrea Leadsom ran on the policy that she would invoke Article 50 the first day she was in power, I highly doubt she would win. Yet that might be what is dictated to the general public, because that is a potential platform on which she will campaign for the Tory leadership.

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This discussion has grown tired and I can see neither of us will convince the other, by all means have the final word but I shan't be responding further to this topic.

 

DH, Then you should have taken my advice after the R and put this thread to bed. This is a football forum not a political debating society. It was the moderators who decided to keep this thread going. If there are people who cannot accept a majority view and continue to foster their political viewpoint then there is bound to be opposition to the viewpoint by those who think otherwise.

Get back to what this forum was formed for and stop future argument.

 

If everyone wanted this to be a purely football forum, I'd be perfectly happy with that, it certainly makes moderating easier as it reduces the risk for angry disagreements. With that said, people seem to enjoy a wide range of off-topic discussions on this forum, and I don't think there's an appetite for curtailing that.

Compared to some of the heated, angry debates I've seen and read on the referendum, I think this has been particularly civil. But yes, I'll personally be leaving it alone now.

 

Oh trust me, I was

 

DH bor, sorry for our difference of opinion. I am not a Tory and have never voted for them. I am a convinced Socialist but until the Labour Party gets back to looking after the grass roots that created the party I will vote as my conscience dictates and at the moment that is UKIP.

I didn't say close down other subjects and should have made that clear, but politics is not a pleasant subject and can become heated at times. We chose to differ on EU. but the decision having made we should all in this country get on with that decision.

As my mother, God bless her, would say : You have made your bed, now lie in it.

PS Rob you confess to being a lawyer, there is a pub in King's Lynn called the Honest Lawyer, the inn sign portrays a headless man holding his head in his hands. The sign means don't trust a lawyer.

 

Well **** you too twat.

You claim to be a socialist and yet vote for a party that unashamedly supports fascism and racism.

 

Have a nice day Rob. Enjoy your useless life.

 

Sorry to distract you uselessly from beating up foreigners.

 

I have run football teams in Burton and have been proud to include in those teams players of all ethnic origin, even a Chinese player so before you hand out insults make sure they are realistic. Incidentally a twat has a use, hence my remark you are useless.

 

Can we drop the handbags ladies? Just as I said this thread had been reasonably civil.

 

DH bor, the remedy is in your hands, I did not resort to name calling. Believe me, I can do so if required.

 

I suspect Rob would not be the only lawyer who would be reluctant to defend your comments as not meant to cause insult. I do not see either of you coming out of that little exchange smelling of roses. Let's drop it and move on.

I've no wish to close a thread that has seen a great deal of level-headed discussion, because two people had a spat. To address the wider point from before about preventing politics based discussion, I agree that would make moderating easier, but I've no wish to police any off-topic thread and decide when something has got sufficiently political that it should be shut down. We moderate as a trio, and take direction from the members of this board, so if there's a wider desire for it (which in previous discussions I've not seen from either mods or the board as a whole), then we would consider it.