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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Masanari, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Yup, but it's something.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Has Hamilton really thought through whining about his mechanics?

    Oh they worked for nicotine so he was **** mast year and my excuse this year.
     
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  3. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I was just watching this again:



    First time I'd seen it from Kobayashi's car, most dramatic view of it in my opinion. One of the things that struck me though was the amount of debris the cars were driving through, nobody suffered a puncture, yet Pirelli always blame debris. I'd never believed them (they announced that Ricciardo's was causeby debris within minutes of it happening <doh>), but this kind of proves it, clearly their tyres can withstand debris, it's the construction which is weak in my opinion.
     
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  4. Quagmireuk

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    Great interview of Hamilton being himself. Seriously a great watch and away from his cronies so genuine imo. Enjoy

    Though I'll admit it's a dodgy Cardigan!
     
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  5. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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  7. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    Old man Lewis

     
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  8. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Hamilton fears engine penalties will cost him title

    30/06/2016

    Having allowed Nico Rosberg to extend his championship lead in Baku, Lewis Hamilton now fears the engine rules will cost him any hope of a third successive title.

    The Briton will have a new engine for this weekend's Austrian Grand Prix, but in the process reaches the limit in terms of two of the component of which five are allowed before penalties are applied.

    "I'm starting with my last power unit this weekend," he told reporters as the Austrian Grand Prix weekend got underway.

    "I will have at least one race where I start dead last, most likely two," he added, "as I will need a sixth and even a seventh engine.

    "The worst thing is that I'm the only Mercedes driver to have had that," he continued, referring to his poor reliability record this year.

    "Considering that we are the Mercedes team, if there are forty engines you would hope we have the best of the forty but that's just the way it goes," he added, emphasising the fact that he drives for the works team. "Everyone else is on their normal plan and have four engines left. But there's nothing I can do about it, it is what it is. I just have to do the best I can with the one I have now and the one or two I get beyond that."

    "I hope Mercedes learn from it and from the faults on mine," he said. "I will find out where I will take that penalty or penalties. I will try to look upon a circuit where I might be able to get furthest up, closest, or maybe a track where I might be able to catch up and even challenge for a win, that's my thought process. I have to go into it thinking I can still win it. There could be safety cars, could be all sorts of things."

    Getting the excuses in already are we? #blessed.
     
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  9. Mr.B

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    Disclosure - I used to dislike him, but I don't mind him these days.

    OK, my point is... if you imagine a few different headings / straplines at the start of the article, they can really change the way you read it.
    Some examples:
    • Hamilton angry with Mercedes incompetence
    • Hamilton suspects a secret plan to undermine his title bid
    • Hamilton criticises F1 rules on engine penalties
    • Hamilton is philosophical about his engine situation
    • Hamilton staying positive in spite of engine woes
    • Hamilton up for the challenge: "I can still win it. There could be safety cars, could be all sorts of things."

    I'm sure we've all typed an email (or a forum post) that got interpreted in a way that we never intended.
    Add the fact that he didn't even write the article himself - it's written by someone pulling together a number of things that he said to reporters (so not even from a one-on-one interview).

    As I said, I'm not a particular fan of the guy, but he does get a bum deal sometimes.
     
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  10. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Getting the excuses in? For real? Isn't he just being realistic about the situation?

    They're looking to pick the circuits to take the penalties based on which one's he has a greater chance of using the car's strengths. Perfectly reasonable planning I'd say.
     
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  11. Sportista

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    I think he brings it on himself because of the narrative he always creates for himself. I don't know what question he was asked, but this is a classic Hamilton statement, in that he'll exaggerate the issue, ignore any mitigating factors and then aggrandise his role in overcoming this hypothetical major hurdle. I think it's why some don't like him, because they see through it.

    So in this example he does say,

    "The worst thing is that I'm the only Mercedes driver to have had that" which is an odd comment - would it really be that much better if Haryanto was in the same position, or half the Merc engined drivers? Wouldn't that just imply the engine is more unreliable and more likely to fail him again in the future

    He comments on the works driver / best power unit thing as if that's something special but the works Ferrari is the worst 2016 Ferrari power unit currently and all the Renaults are equal so far, so there's nothing particularly special about that either.

    He then goes on to say that he's going to work out where it's best to take the penalties.


    Other than a comment about safety cars he doesn't say any of the stuff that would provide balance:
    "I've been lucky so far the failures haven't occurred in races and cost me even more points"
    "the good thing is, whilst I've had unreliability the engine is the class of the field, so we've been able to recover a lot of the lost points"
    "Nico letting me by in Monaco offset most of the points this has cost me so far."
    "my mistakes and poor performances so far this year have been just as important in making it difficult to win this championship"
    "the team and I will work out if there's somewhere where the the penalty can be felt least"
    "there still more than half the season to go, so who knows what might happen to my main competitors over the rest of the season to even things up."


    So in summary you get the impression of, "look at this huge challenge that is all someone else's fault and listen to what I will do to fight these insurmountable odds" and some people won't buy it and will call him out for It, but some will and it inflates the "legend".


    For Comparison some of the other styles I've noted are:

    Someone like Kimi will say something along the lines of "sh*t happens", some will love it -" he's the Iceman", some will say he lacks passion.
    Someone like Vettel will play down the team faults, but accentuate his own. Some will love it "he's so nice", some will criticise him for being false, because they know he's berating the team in private
    Danny Ric seems to avoid bashing by the majority of fans because he's generally completely honest about himself and his team.
     
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  12. Quagmireuk

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    What a load of drivel!
     
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  14. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Manor could get both cars into Q2!
     
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  15. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Formula E decider, di Grassi and Buemi level on points and there's been seriously drama already!
    ITV1 or online streams, do it!
     
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  16. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Mercedes have a real problem now, the Hamilton / Rosberg thing is getting a bit serious but has anyone seen what Lauda has come out with to Austrian TV? What he's said isn't great for Hamilton, but I think the bigger story is why has he said it?

    Your driver is trying to, publicly at least, cool any issues whilst your boss is just throwing agro around.

    Right before the British grand prix as well... clever!
     
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  17. Quagmireuk

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    What's he said?
     
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  18. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Is Lauda trying to out helmet Helmut?
     
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  19. Sportista

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    From the other thread there's a Tweet where Lauda has apparently revealed that Lewis smashed his room in the Motorhome up after Baku qualifying.
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

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    Wonder if it was full in Kylo Ren. :)
     
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