Off Topic Impact of Brexit on Football

Another sure sign that they are trying to turn the EU into some sort of communist super state.

“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”
― Mikhail Gorbachev

Bah!

 

Things gathering momentum now

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Fear-sees-voters-desert-Cameron-EU-referendum

...... and Cameron DOES go face to face with Farage tomorrow evidently

 

KIO bor, there was an article in the Mirror last week by Carole Malone. Anyone undecided would know from her report which way to vote in the referendum. She set out clearly the benefits of leaving against the benefits of remaining and best of all she is not a politician.

 

I presume that you're refering to this Norkie?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu-laws-mean-kick-out-8114513

 

Is that true? I thought the chickensh#t was once again running scared of the oposition. If Brexit according to the polls is in the lead now, then it'll be uncatchable after tomorrow! I wouldn't want Farage running the country but he will mince Cameron in a live debate. Won't that be a conflict for all the pro-EU labour lefties, support Cameron and hope for his best!

Bah!

 

If that doesn't persuade people to vote out I don't know what will. I don't want to share my country with such people!

 

KIO bor, sorry got the paper wrong, was the Sunday Mirror published on May 29th headed Plenty to fear from Project Bum Steer. Pity she is a journalist and not a politician.

Her concluding statement (quote) "This has to be about what's best for ordinary people - NOT what's best for banks, big business and Cameron and Osbourne's career."

The rest of her statement makes logic to me. From her photo she doesn't look to be an aged person so there are some youngsters with a bit of commonsense.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-camp-take-19-POINT-lead-Britons-flock-Brexit

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One observation of this whole sorry mud slinging, fear mongering debacle. The question is of whether we are to stay or leave the EU. Some leaders of other member states have expressed a preference that we should stay, some have made threats of how we will be less favourably traded with and viewed. But where is a collective response from the EU. Where are Tusk, Schulz and Juncker with a positive message from the EU?
If the EU were addressing this as the crisis that it really does represent for the EU, surely they would and should be debating what issues are important to the elctorate of the UK? And not just the UK, it is clear that the EU is lurching right, anti-EU sentiment is growing across the EU. So where are they? If Juncker et al could voice some sort of strategy to not just allay fears that the EU has lost control of it's boarders, lost touch with the people it should serve and persuade us it has some cohearent plan to introduce growth, tackle the high youth unemployment that it's single currency has foisted on a number of member states. Then I think a lot of people who are undecided might Bremain, some may change there minds to Bremain.
But they remain as much as I can tell; a detached self serving elite, corrupt to the core, who have no interest in the common man or the identities of each member nation and it's people that they claim to serve.

Bah!

 

I'd be very surprised if the public voted to leave.

When it comes to the final moments at polling station many will give in to fear and put their cross for remain even though deep in their hearts they want to leave.

It's a shame because for the first time since the last referendum every vote counts.

Unfortunately the character of the nation is not what it once was.

 

Unfortunately I agree with you.... however if that is the case I think that UKIP will grow stronger....

 

Check out a few of this guys videos, he's a comedian but his comedy has some serious messages!

 

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2206347/1102404

 

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Ben Goldacre's final attempt at encouraging people to vote Remain:

http://www.not606.com/threads/lesbos-island-and-political-thread.310681/page-134#post-9377342

 

Fear not JK because although I passionately want my country to regain it's independance it's just not going to happen. The apathetic British electorate will preserve the status quo and Remain will win the day with a 5-10 point majority IMO and it will be a very sad day. When it happens it will be the first time in my life that I will be truly ashamed to be British, may God help us !

Order your Jack boots now fellas

 

Hi JKC bor, totally agree with Herr Goldacre when he says "crap admin in Brussels." What he doesn't say is the UK remaining in the EU will correct that crap Brussels administration.

He blames the electorate for our entry into Europe but in reality it was politicians Heath, Thatcher, Major and Cameron who took that decision, not the electorate. He would be better addressing his remarks to those persons but unfortunately the major culprits are no longer in the land of the living.

The Treasury have presented financial details of the cost to the UK of its membership of the EU for the past year. The figure given by the Leave campaign of £350m per week is definitely the wrong amount, in actual fact according to the Treasury it is £361m per week. Looking at those Treasury figures was the amazing fact that it costs the UK just under £1m per hour membership. Somehow I do not think the Remain advocates will want to contest those findings.

The report also produced the amount our contributions have grown over the years.

A lot has been said about the rebate we get back from the EU, what has not been stated is the EU's levy against the UK which the UK should pay because since 1995 our economy had grown, one way of getting back that rebate. Wonder why our Remain advocates have conveniently forgotten to mention that.

I also notice Herr Goldacre conveniently fails to mention that the electorate of the EU is responsible for the failure of the EU to maintain its borders and keep out illegal immigrants and certain individual EU member states have had to do the work of the EU to protect its own borders.

At least now he has the opportunity of voting and thus rectify his previous inadequacies of not doing anything about that crap Brussels admin.

 

From an analysis of poll statistics I've read, I think voter turnout and the undecided voters will be what swings it.

Most polls have Leave and Remain about the same, perhaps 1-3% difference, all around 45%. If voter turnout is low then you'd expect Leave supporters to be those more likely to turn out to vote, and therefore swing it their way. Above about a 70% voter turnout, that advantage will be negated, and the undecided voters play a larger role. If a week before the referendum those people hadn't been motivated by the arguments of the Leave campaign, you would expect them to be more likely to vote for the status quo. General Election turnout was 65%.

As an aside, and perhaps somewhat with my mod hat on, can I thank everyone for keeping this thread relatively civil. I can't remember myself or the other mods having to interfere in ~400 posts. It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway), that whatever the result everyone on this board will still be a Norwich fan, and their views on footballing matters and otherwise will of course be valued. Losing any members as a result of squabbles over the referendum result would therefore be a mighty shame, and I'd be really disappointed to see angry exchanges on here when the referendum result is known. Commiserate, celebrate, discuss, but let's please not turn on each other.

 

Well, I see it's been a narrow narrow victory to leave the EU and I have to say I'm a bit surprised. I just hope that all those who voted to leave don't expect to see the money we save save by not sending huge sums to the EU budget suddenly being spent on the Health Service, Schools etc as the Leave campaign were promising!!!

 

Hi DH bor, the people have made their decision, now time to put this thread to bed and return to the original concept of this forum.....fans views on our club. Been an interesting debate and I agree with you, been conducted with no real bad feeling. Nice to see your appreciation of our conduct which must have been a subject of concern to the moderators.