The case put forward by the Remanians is absolutely bollocks, which confirmed my decision, and I'm sick of the Conmen conning us (even though some of them are urging us to leave) so I voted to leave on thursday (postal) If the overall decision is to leave, make no mistake, the rest of the EU members will want us back a.s.a.p. which will mean that we will go back eventually under considerably better terms and under a better regime Unless, of course, I'm completely wrong p.s. don't tell anyone 'cos my vote is supposed to be confidential
If the overall decision is to leave, make no mistake, the rest of the EU members will want us back a.s.a.p. which will mean that we will go back eventually under considerably better terms and under a better regime ______________________________________________ Yep, or us leaving will bring the house of cards down, but I can live with both options.
The good reason to leave is Democracy, the EU is not democratic its run by a self serving elite of bureaucrats.
I'm the exact opposite..I was pretty much undecided last week, but the arguments coming from the out group are driving me more and more to vote stay in..
I'll keep it short as this is just my opinion and not looking to get into a gripe over it. It's up to everyone how they want to vote. I'm voting remain for a few reasons - 1) the economy. Everything else is a sideshow in my eyes, what is best for the ecomony? Almost every independent (is anyone trully independant? no) commentator agrees it would be bad for our economy to leave. Yes it's guesswork but there doesn't seem to be an argument over whether it will be good or bad so much as 'how bad' it will be. 2) I used to be an employment lawyer (before i dropped out the profession entirely tbh) and almost every right brought in for the past few decades of workers is due to the British government being forced to implement changes through the EU. Maternity rights, Paternity rights, Sick pay provisions, grievance and disciplinary procedures, working time directive, equal rights (of payment and opportuinity) and back in around 2006 the holiday changes they forced meant that bank holidays no longer counted as part of an employees holiday allowance granting almost 50% of the country who had fewer than 28 days holiday a minimum of 28 days a year (previously 20 days was the minimum and 30%+ of the country had that). Do i trust the government to protect these rights if we leave? Not at all. 3) The people pushing to leave. You can't trust politicians but if i have a choice between Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Gove and ****ing anyone else I will go with anyone else. The main parties want to stay and I honestly believe Gove, Smith and Johnson don't give a **** either way and are just political opportunists. Not a fan of Farage but I fully respect that he believes in what he is saying and as such have infinitely more respect than the other 'leave' MP's. The newspapers want to leave as they want more freedom to do whatever they want, they are not neutral. Rupert Murdoch even said he wanted to leave the EU as he finds it easier to influence the UK government than the EU - that alone would be enough to make me want to stay in. Anyway there are good reasons to leave (the £350m figure a week quoted is bollocks though - that would be 18 billion a year which is more than double what is actually paid, about 8 billion after the rebate) and both sides have so much guesswork going on people can justify whatever they want. I think the real shame is how divisive the entire process has become and it has impinged on actual informed debate, I almost entirely blame the newspapers for that. It's like you can't say "remain" or "brexit" without people judging you negatively.
The stupid thing is that the "inners" are going on saying "if we leave X y or z will happen" and the "outers" are saying basically the same with X y and z replaced with a b and c. In reality, no one can actually know. When the only way to put over your argument is an opinion then it's a problem. No one knows what will happen as no one has ever done it. I've seen no evidence to prove one or the other is the best. All I hear is playground arguments. Eg "if we stay well be £X million better off " and the brexit say "if we leave we will be £X +1 million better off" but they back it up with nothing. It is all opinion based and that's scary and gives us no way of knowing how to vote! Everything is started with an opinion not an absolute fact.
Agree with this 100%. Seen a pot of opinion, speculation and conjecture fueled by prejudices on both sides but I've not actually seen anyone talk in facts. Pleased it's not my problem to deal with as it feels like another election resembling an uninformed decision whatever way it goes. Would have been nice to actually hear what the EU does for Britain or what Britain would put in place without the EU.
Nigel Farage has suggested there could be mass sex attacks by gangs of migrants like those in Cologne unless the UK votes to leave the EU. The UK Independence Party leader says he fears "big cultural issues" could result from uncontrolled migration from Europe and North Africa, putting the safety of women in danger. Nowt like a bit of scaremongering.
No - and perhaps you've hit the one essential fact. In any other election you can vote a poor government out. You can't vote the European Commission out because they're not elected in the first place. The essential question is do you want to live in a democracy or a dictatorship? That is the crux of this referendum. I agree that most other points are opinion. But that one isn't.
Bollocks and you know it. Cameron is so **** scared of losing out he brought in Obama and Mertyl for help. Of course Mertyl wants us to stay it's only us and Germany propping up the rest.
I will argue about almost anything. But UK politics is one of the rare exceptions. (Unless its about nukes and military numbers)
Agreed on the politics front but this is far more important than politics. If we remain we will have no more say on our country's destiny. Totally ruled by Brussels or is it Germany
