I'm getting sick of the in brigade predicting the end of the world ,vera baird the police commissionaire and her other police cronies have predicted today that if we leave the uk will be less safe as we wont be able to work with euro poll .well vera if you do ever catch any criminals ,at least once they have served there 3 months for rape/murder/molestation we will be able to put them on a plane and **** them off back to where they come from, or is your force so incompetent they cant perform without help. oh and by the way some chap has just been extradited from the the usa, you know the usa that isn't in Europe,the usa we have agreement with regarding bad boys and girls
Vote 'in' for the dictatorship, or 'out' for one last chance of making things better for our children. Also out will cause sneaky dave & Osborne some grief.......bonus!
I fail to see how it's even a debate anymore after MEP Daniel Hannan out right asked to be made redundant.
On the matter of "colour"... I stamped "coloured" out of my dictionary as soon as I realised it was an upsetting term. I'm pretty PC and happy in not upsetting people. I struggle to understand why "people of colour" has become a buzzword at the moment. Just goes to show peoples feelings are little more than a reflection on what the media are spewing out.
Why would Muslim mayors have to speak out against Isis? Isis kills more Muslims then any other religion. Atlantic slave owners where devout Christians used the bible as justification to keep slaves should every Christian mayor have to feel guilty over slavery no they shouldn't just because there's some nutty guys killing people and manipulating the quran doesn't mean there's anything wrong with islam
I didn't answer the question I followed up the question with what I feel. I want to know why the guy who wrote this thread feels Muslims need to justify themselves
You should probably PM him, I doubt he'll be back anytime soon, I'm not sure anybody knows who he is.
You asked why muslim mayors should speak out against ISIS when ... "they kill more muslims than any other religion". There's your reason right there. You answered your own question. It's not unreasonable to expect moderates of any religion, political ethos, creed, ethnicity, nationality, etc, to speak out against extremists from their own kind. Whether its the Middle East, Northern Ireland or wherever. There may be several reasons why they don't. Fear would be the biggest reason. Personal advancement could be another. But until moderates do speak out, there will always be suspicion elsewhere that they support the extremist's agenda but choose not to express that.
It's my belief that the question comes down to whether you wish to live in a democracy. As it is at the moment we have a pseudo democratic arrangement within the EU where unelected bureaucrats dream up new legislation and negotiate behind closed doors before placing it infront of supine MEPs who nod it through the European parliament. There is little in the way of transparency and precious little morality in the way this organisation works. The EU works well for the wealthy and those on the taxpayer funded gravy train at the expense of the man in the street or the small business man. Give me a system where I can at least change the direction of the government every 5 years if I wish.
No, but any Christian mayor worth their salt in this day and age (you know, a civilised time unlike centuries ago) would have to call these slave owners out on it if it happened today. If muslim extremists are in the minority the rest of the community should be aggrieved by the bad image of islam being portrayed. maybe they are, but we don't hear about it if that is the case.
I don't think every decent muslim needs to repeatedly denounce ISIS. I think it's generally just accepted that no ****er likes them other than them.
I think quite a lot of Imam's and Muslims in general have come out and condemned The Islamic State, it's just not nationally documented by our media. If you go looking for it, you'll find plenty of examples. Much of the media partners want us to hate Islam, it sells papers at the end of the day (or technically, mostly the beginning of the day), so it's no surprise anything good they do is being kept quiet. Yeah, they could probably do a lot more admittedly, they could mobilise as a religion and start a movement, they could really seize this opportunity to stand shoulder to shoulder with Westerners and build some very important bridges.
I want to vote to come out HOWEVER I am finding it very hard to be on the same side as some of the people who are leading the OUT Campaign. Being on the same side as Bonking Boris or Nigel Farage appals me. Or how about being proud to agree with Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Grove, neither of whom am I inclined to believe. I'm quite prepared to believe that leaving will have an economic impact in the short/medium term. That seems logical. My particular dislike is that the political set up stinks. From day one the Agricultural Fund has been ripped off by inefficient French Farmers and criminals alike. Our own expenses scandal was small beer compared to the scale of LEGAL expenses being fiddled by the Euro MP's. It's just one huge gravy train and there's nothing can be done to stop it. I want OUR Parliament to make OUR Laws and have OUR Courts decide based on these Laws. When our own MP's get too greedy, we, as voters, kick them hard. In Europe, it seems that apathy rules. So I want out of it. Let them have their own mess, with their own rules and get on with it in their own way. We can get on with things our way. Incidentally coming out will make little difference to illegal immigration in the long run. IF we vote out, it seems likely that the SNP will want, (and get) another Referendum because they want to stay in. If Scotland is in and the rest of the UK is out, then citizens of the European Union can enter Scotland at will. Once there it's hard to imagine an effective border control system. FINALLY, for us Football Fans, the days of free entry to EU players will be over. Only those qualifying as current regular international players from countries high(ish) in the FIFA table will be able to come. So we may no longer have the best League in the World.
Just lifted from Facebook, thought some people may be interested... Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant. Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant. Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds. Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant. British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales. Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan. Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan. Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants. Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant. Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant. Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant. Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding. Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing. ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase. JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry. UK airports are owned by a Spanish company. Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company. Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies. The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online. Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada. 39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently. Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations. I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there. I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany. Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea, 1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party. 2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down. 3/ You don't think it matters.
We are away on holiday in the next couple of days and would have missed the chance to vote so we got our postal vote through yesterday. I have been voting out for some time but i was still waiting to be convinced by the remainians to change my mind, but there has been nothing to influence me in the slightest. I have watched debates, and read articles here, there and everywhere and had some real heated debates at work but for me the time has come to throw the dice. I know everyone has their own ideas how it should go and the side with the majority will win, at least we will all have had the chance to say what we wanted, unlike us being in the EU? The cross is in the box and the vote is on its way, both me and the wife are out.
That's one of my big bugbears, mate. We've been wanting a vote on EU membership from the late-1970s, when it began to dawn on us that we'd been sold a lie (the Common Market crap). Callaghan,Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown all denied us that. Not one of them had the guts for it. We've been given this one chance, and I'm taking it.
I've just watched some total bullshit 'Better In' propaganda video, a sad little gimp going around asking people for a quid and when they give him one (those who do) he gives them a tenner back, then they end their stupid video with this... "For every pound you put into the EU, you get £10 back"... literally thousands of people are believing this crap, tree hugging Corbyn zombies who will literally believe anything that is put in front of them... If we get a tenner back for every quid we put into the EU, then how the hell are we coming out with a huge deficit every year? Let me guess, it's not an actual tenner, it's vouchers, for Jihadi's... we can have as many Jihadi's as we like at 30p a pop. I've never been more out.
