Off Topic Political Debate

No I was commenting on the possibility of the state paying for hotels where these creeps entertained their shared delight!

 

Unless you have absolute proof that state money was involved and can produce it then please do so. Otherwise, their sex lives do not interest me.

 

They are both currently under investigation, thankfully not my job.

 

Then I would suggest that you wait for the results of those investigations before making any assertions one way or the other. As to the so called love triangle this is a matter for the families themselves to sort out, and has little to do with us - and still less to do with David Cameron and his smutty, schoolboy like jibes about this in the house, or the childish laughter from the Tory benches.

 

I said the possibility of misappropriation of funds. Hosie is a horrible smarmy git though. It used to be the Tory Party with sex scandals, Labour with expenses fiddling and Lib Dems just being anonymous. Now the SNP are clearly after the Tories sex mantle!!

 

I presume you're referring to Stewart Hosie and his dalliance with a consenting adult?

Hardly a 'scandal' really - especially when compared to what many Tories & Labourites in Westminster do, and allow to be done, to small boys and girls. And at least he has held his hand up and resigned from his leadership position - something the aforementioned in Westminster won't do.

 

Hosie cheated on his wife and daughter with the same woman as his colleague MacNeil, an ex schoolteacher who was caught fondling two teenagers whilst his wife was pregnant back in 2005. Sleaze bags.
I'm not sure the children involved in the marriage break ups would dismiss the betrayal as simply a 'dalliance'

Obviously a big enough scandal to force a resignation.

 

That is a question for them and their families to sort out privately - not to have it plastered over every boulevard paper in the land. People's private lives are just that....private, at least until the law has been broken in some way, which has not been proved as yet.

 

Stories such as these have always been covered by the media in the UK and probably always will be. What you say is a perfectly sensible view but completely unrealistic in UK politics.

These politicians get carried away with their self importance and attractiveness due to their positions. However they cannot be so stupid as to not realise all hell will break out when they are caught.

 

I know what the English are like on this SH. In terms of so called sexual misdemeanours Britain falls somewhere between France and the USA - in France they are tolerated in America scandalized - and in Russia positively expected. However the English do have an absolute fixation with the private lives of well known public figures - but I question whether this has always been the case or is more a phenemenon of the last 20 years or so. Is there one single person sat in the house of commons who could afford to have all of his private details known by the sun or the mirror ? I doubt it. We all make mistakes in life - why should a politician be made to pay more dearly for them than others would be ?

 

I'm sure this has always been the case, certainly the last 50 years, Profumo, Jeremy Thorpe, David Mellor, Prescott, Lord Lambton, John Belcher, John Major & loads more.

I'm sure many decent potential parliamentary candidates are put off by their foolish actions in previous lives. However once they brave the spotlight it is imperative they do not behave in such a manner as to bring disrepute to their respective political party.

If it is true that these two love cheats were also caught fighting in a public place then I suggest they have let down their families, political party, Scotland and the UK parliament.

Mind you a whole lot of fun, best since that Labour chap was knocking people out in the House of Commons bar!!

 

Outside own constituency in other constituencies. You don't use a chopper to get to Govanhill...

 

I still don't understand where the problem is Aberdeen. A party has a declared limit on election expenses, but how they spend that money is surely their own concern.

 

Yes I agree on this. Sadly a predilection of our society. Fuelled by the populist media which will profit from it.

 

Unfortunately the "populist media" in turn are fuelled by the idiot populace who buy these rags. It is for precisely this reason that I have not bought a national newspaper in decades.

 

I expect it is because the new professional Political Elite tell us how we should live and behave and frame laws based on their opinions. They are forever in the media telling us how wonderful they are and how they know what is best for us, yet time and time again they behave in ways most of us would not contemplate. They fiddle their expenses, they lie and cheat and their hypocrisy knows no bounds. When the head on a Commons Committee harangues bankers, financiers and allsorts for holding money in offshore accounts, when her family business has been doing it for years, just about sums the whole bunch up.

Therefore we expect them to behave and be above reproach, so when they don't we quire rightly slaughter them.

 

So what do you expect her to do when she has visited one of those outside constituencies and wants to go home - leave it there and hop on a bus?

Or when that visit to Govanhill is part of a tour of various constituencies, would you expect her to add to the expense of the tour by needlessly catching a taxi to and from there while an empty helicopter sits and waits?

 

All party leaders use helicopters to visit constituencies before elections.....apart from the Green Party for environmental reasons.

 

I think you are missing the point Cologne. It's declaring the cost of using a Helicopter correctly. If it was used by Sturgeon to visit constituencies to support local candidates then it should be declared as an expense for that local candidate and there are limits on how much can be spent and if the cost of the Helicopter causes the limit to be exceeded then the SNP are breaking the rules.
In true fashion on this thread, the Tories are paraded as evil for being accused of doing this, but it's fine for the SNP to do the same.

 

There is no difference between 'local' and 'national' W_Y. The amalgamated result of a national election result is nothing other than an accumulation of local constituency results - in PR. it would be different but not in Britain. Anything done by the party leader at election time (which is not done in her own constituency) qualifies as a national election expense.