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The Breakfast Debate

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Good Morning Everyone,

    After Leeds equalised against Rotherham, and began to lay siege on their goal, I did visions in my mind that we were going to win the game 3-1, but yet again it did not happen.

    The questions I would want answered by the players are as follows :-

    If you can't get up for a local derby, when can you?

    How many of the Leeds players don't want to play for us?

    Do our players lack bottle?

    Has Evans lost the dressing room?

    Should we appeal Silvestri's red card?



    I don't think this is a Cellino thing, nor do I think it is down to bad players. We have shown in other games against much better opposition, how we can play?



    How is it that other teams are able (more times than not) to dig in deep, show a gritty resolve and manage to keep us from scoring when we are laying siege to their goal, whereas on the flip side we fall to bits?




    Finally, it's amazing to see how many senior staff Cellino has been though in the last two years...

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  2. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Morning Elland and all. Fair points about the players not trying. Perhaps evans should sit them down today and make them watch the last five Leicester games. They're not dominating matches but nicking one nil wins. Their teamwork is incredible, throwing bodies in the way to prevent conceding, like their defender sprinting 40 metres yesterday to block a sure Southampton goal when schmeical was beaten. What do ours do, defenders try fancy overhead kicks six yards out to clear the lines. They know the season is over and also know most of them will never play at a higher level so happy to collect their pay cheques
     
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  3. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Morning all..

    Already pointed out, the vast turnover of senior staff and lack of stability. We are just a mess, players go crying to Cellino when not selected, players knowing the coach isn't going to be here next season, players on loan with not much to play for and players knowing they will probably be sold.We have no structure, Cellino should not be accessible to players, our whole setup is a mess.

    When we get a new coach, Cellino seems to appease them early on allowing one or two of their targets to be signed. A new coach comes in during the season and they discard the previous coaches signings and want their own.

    Our high turnover of staff creates a vicious circle of surplus to requirement players. I don't like Evans but I can't see the point in replacing him. It was the same scenario this time last season, sadly it will be the exact same the next.

    We haven't an alternative it would seem to Cellino but with him at the helm we better get used to it being like this season after season. I truly fail to understand how anyone can defend his running of Leeds United, all very sad.
     
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  4. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Morning Eire, nicely said. I watched the crisp munchers, and the way they played for each other was incredible.
     
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    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Morning ristac,

    Again, well said. Players go crying to Cellino when not happy.

    I would quite like to see Evans given some money in the Summer. Think the players he'd go after would be good ones.

    I like Dave, I like Bridcutt but reserve judgement on Caroyol for now.
     
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  6. bucks_is_leeds

    bucks_is_leeds Jonny big spuds Forum Moderator

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    Morning all <ok>

    Result was exactly what I expected.
     
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    Morning all it looks like we're in danger of thinking we're safe and nothing to gain by trying, so sitting back coasting. I want Evans to tell us where this lean, mean goal hungry new Wood is. What did he say a few weeks ago "trust me when the big man comes back you'll see a different animal" Well fatty where is he.

    Pointless talking about the rest of the season as we've had too many false dawns and we know we're gonna see massive change again in a few weeks. Manager, coaching, TA, Directors, sponsors, player sales and finally what quality of new players coming in, if any.

    Season disappointment yet again and even Villa would beat us
     
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  8. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Evans has been spouting garbage from day one, Byram back to his old self on his second day in charge was the best.
     
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    Morning Elland. The other way to look at it, IF Bellusci had cleared the ball we might have nicked it or at least got a point. I know this has been done to death, but some of Evans selections are strange to say the least. At this stage of the season play some of the younger kids, at least they make show a bit of passion and fire in their bellys...<ok>
     
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  10. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Morning Bucks
     
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    I never really agree with the "it's the end of the season throw the kids on" opinion. Because if we lose all the games there on the pitch for it's going to be a lot more damaging to there career compared to easing them in. Just my opinion though.
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Can you imagine the abuse theyd then get on social media from the know alls, not to mention guarantee sacking for Evans if results didnt work out
     
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    I have absolutely no problems with Cellino he is running the club well















    and truly into the ground <laugh>
     
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    I didn't mean to imply that we should use eleven youngsters, but there are the likes of Stokes who is knocking them in. There's no point in wrapping them up in cotton wool, if they are not mentally tough to take a few defeats then they shouldn't be playing football. They sure as hell can't be as bad as some of the chances who are playing for the first team. But like you've said it's opinions..<ok>
     
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    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    It worked out well for O'Leary Shaks but then again, maybe our youngsters arent great. Who knows
     
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    One thing that struck me over the weekend going back to when we had Byram in a more advanced position was when he scored those three goals in around two games. Sam had that extra bit of quality and composure that the rest don't have. Our 3 million striker missed three sitters against Wolves and has squandered a hatful of chances throughout the season. At the other end, Bellusci is just a liability and has cost us a few games at least.

    So I can't agree with you Elland! It IS down to bad players and it IS down to Cellino not willing to pay the going rate for the handful of quality players that at the very least would put a smile on our face and have us competing in the top half. I seriously fear that we are heading closer to relegation every season and next season isn't going to get any easier.

    cheers.
     
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    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    But what is a quality player? If we'd just signed Sloth we'd be thinking that's more like it, finally we're signing a young, full international attacking midfielder - and yet he never gets a look in

    He can't have turned into that bad a player all of a sudden

    Very strange
     
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  18. johhny757

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    Forza, someone like Forriestri would have been a bit of quality, more or less proven in the division. It just strikes me that Cellino always prefers to go for the cheaper option and it ultimately costs us. I forget the name of the Danish CB we were after and ended up with Bellusci instead, but was that not ultimately because Cellino didn't want to pay out a bit extra. I agree about Sloth, never really given a chance to show what he can do over a long period. It is all very strange indeed.
     
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    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    I know what you're saying, but whenever we do sign a supposedly 'quality player proven in this division' like Bamba , and Dallas to a certain extent, they never seem to perform as well as they did for their previous club. Another proven player in this division is Diagouraga, quality at Brentford but not really setting the world alight for us is he?

    So that's three players who, if another club had signed them we'd be asking why we didn't go for them.

    Personally I think it's more down to the coaching than the quality of player. A quality head coach signs a proven player and makes them even better
     
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  20. johhny757

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    There is the rub mate. Redfearn and Thompson were averaging 2 points a game and Cellino pulled the trigger on something that was actually working out in our favour. You really couldn't make it up.

    I can see the 'Hock' making a reappearance in the pre-season to get all our new recruits fit for next season. <laugh>
     
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