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  1. The Relic

    The Relic Well-Known Member

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    By trophies, it would have to be Tom Watson.
     
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  2. Commachio

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    You maybe correct. The one i found was Tommy Urwin (never heard of him). 39 years and 76 days in 1933.
     
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  3. The Relic

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    Well, that would beat Fred Hall, in SAFC terms anyway. Fred was at Barrow when he reached 39, but he did play till he was that age.
     
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  4. The Relic

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    The highest is easy. Apart from two Cup Finals (100,000 in '73 and 93,000 in '37) the highest home crowd was 75.118 against Derby in 1933/4 (plus my old man who got in for free by crawling through a hole in the wooden fence around the Fulwell End <laugh>).

    The lowest is more difficult. In the 1880s, it was probably around 2,000 because football hadn't fully caught on then. We'll never know because, at best, crowds were estimated then. In post-WW2 years I think you'd need to look at 1971 or 1972, when there were six or seven cases of crowds lower than 9,000 (I once stood on the Fulwell End, shouted, and got an echo back from the bare walls of the Clock Stand!). The town of Sunderland really had lost interest in football after Ian McColl was sacked in favour of Alan Brown. It was like a morgue in Roker Park at times.

    The most significant crowd at Sunderland was in 1895. The Prince of Wales (King Edward VIi, to be) came to Sunderland and 5,000 people lined the streets to greet him. But 12,000 were at Newcastle Rd to watch Sunderland play Blackburn Rovers that afternoon. Queen Victoria was incensed at the "disloyalty", and ordered that no member of the Royal family should ever visit Sunderland on a Saturday again. And to this day, they haven't. <laugh>
     
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  5. Nostalgic

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    On the crowds one I have been in Roker with 63,000+ versus Spurs in 1961 but also remember another against Sheffield Utd in the mid fifties in a lousy NE day with gales and rain and the crowd was about the 10,000 mark according to the papers.

    Since we are on about historical things, it was at the Spurs game that the kids had to be lifted over the fences and sat around the running track about three deep and when we scored they were up an on the pitch for quite some time. So maybe SAFC were the starters of pitch invasions as the Spurs fans did the same in the rep;lay and it caught on in football for quite some time following.

    Not sure if that would be anything to be proud of as it would have led to the fences around the pitch.
     
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    Promotions have to be Peter Reid and the win ratio IIRC is George Hardwick who was a caretaker but did a damn fine job for about 9 months.
     
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    Aye but smartarse I saw both Forster and Hall (sounds like a double acts). Bring on anybody that that saw your fellah.
     
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    :emoticon-0112-wonde C When Arsenal went through season unbeaten I believe played at times without any English players in starting 11 -
     
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    First black player I remember - Roly Gregoire - talented but just did'nt really show it <doh>
     
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    Fantastic knowledge love the Saturday Royal thing!!
     
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  11. The Relic

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    I do believe you might be right about pitch invasions. I was at that game as well, and can't remember seeing one before. Ultimately, it proved a very bad thing - as you say, it led to fences and ... Hillsborough! I don't remember the Sheffield United game you mentioned particularly but yes, you could get drenched and frozen stiff. Neither of the ends were covered then and neither of the paddocks. As you say, happy days. Miss a Shack performance for a bit of snow? - sod that.

    Bexinio : I was looking over some old records after I'd switched this thread off, and came across a home gate of 1,000 against Fairfield in February 1895.
     
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  12. Commachio

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    Yes, but have safc ever fielded a team with zero english players, or is 1 the least?


    Still ****ing shocking. 1 engliah player.
     
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    So true Arsenal were responsible for mass use of overseas players due to their successful season imo - but that's part of way our game is changing - not comfortable with it
     
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    So if Ki and Ji have the shortest name, who has the longest?
     
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    Relic <laugh>
     
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    Don't know the answer for certain, but Kitchenbrand has 12 in it.

    Don Kitchenbrand - the only Catholic to play for Rangers between WW1 and when Souness signed Mo Johnson there - signed for Sunderland in 1959(?). He had a very impressive scoring record throughout his career - better than 1 in 2 games for us. The last I heard, he is still living in his native Johannesburg, South Africa, and will be about 83 now.
     
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  17. Commachio

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    Well thats me beat.
     
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  18. Gordon Armstrong

    Gordon Armstrong Just another S.A.F.C. fan Forum Moderator

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    If you stick 'Rhino' in there it has even more letters :emoticon-0100-smile . . . . that might not count, though :emoticon-0111-blush
     
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  19. Vincemac

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    Fred hall lived in Stanley early seventies
    He used to drink in sacriston club
    I worked there for a short while
     
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  20. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Not sure if Ki and Ji are surnames or first names though, **** knows how they work it out there.

    You can have Ba though <ok>
     
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