Best thing is, if Leicester win the league is, they will have won the PL, something Liverpool have never done (or will)
That's true. They can sit proudly alongside Blackburn as another club that has won the PL before Liverpool.
... I suspect you will cling desperately to the hope that nobody will come up with those starting odds and will assume that they were similar ... ..they wouldn't have been ... almost certainly ... because Mr Clough had previous ... he took Derby up in 1969 and finished fourth during their first campaign in 1970 ... he then won it in 1972 .... that would not have been discounted by bookmakers .... Forest would have been unlikely to have been in the relegation betting frame due to that alone ... the management 'knew their way' around the division as pundits are prone to say ... In contrast, the appointment of Ranieri was generally portrayed as a huge negative ...add that to a miraculous escape that many were dismissing as a flash in the pan .... ... we were amongst the favourites to be relegated and included in most 'knowledgeable pundits' bottom 3 - just go and look at any pre-season prediction threads on this forum too ... that was the general perception ... My take on the likely starting odds for Forest that year? ... probably no more than 250/1 at most ... certainly nowhere near 500/1 ... and you would be comparing that to the 5000/1 being offered on Leicester ..., we know that Ladbrokes were offering that ... and they are not usually the most generous by any stretch ..
There'll never be another Cloughie. Great manager. Wouldn't last 5 minutes today though. Players are so sensitive. Absolute fannies.
If the Foxes win the title it will be the best top flight accomplishment EVER . A Fox title trophy will sit higher than all Manchester United Premier League trophies sitting atop each other ....
Clough arrived at Forest in 75 and started building his team, backed by Forest's wealthy owner, shattering the British transfer record in 78. Leicester were in the third tier of football in 2009 and have spent the same amount as United lost in Di Maria.
Clough was a legendary manager, Ranieri won't even be talked about in the same debate, so yes, Leicester winning the league with a more average manager will be better than when forest did it. Just to clarify, its winning the league im talking about, European Cup success doesn't and shouldn't sway this debate.
The question was clear mate, it was about the single sporting achievement. Only the more dense amongst our number tried to make it a subjective comparison with the managerial achievements of Mr Clough's career at Forest.
Manchester United , Manchester City , Chelsea and Arsenal Premier League accomplishments vs Leicester ( possible ) accomplishment = Moneybags vs Moneyball .
Sorry HIAG, you are clearly wrong here. Tobes is right. If you are comparing the sporting achievements of Leicester and Forest as clubs, or the overall achievements of Rainieri and Cloughie as managers, then Forest and Clough win every time. But in terms of a single shocking upset in Sporting terms, Leicester winning the PL when starting as 5000/1 rank outsiders will be the single most shocking upset in world sport history I wager. And for the record, as someone asked earlier, the highest PL finishing position for a newly promoted club to the PL was Ipswich who got promoted to the PL at the end of the 99/00 season, and finished 5th in their first PL season (00/01), I believe.
Bodi, answer me this. What price do you think Forest would have started at, for winning the Div 1 title, the season they came up from Div 2? I agree, that making comparisons in different eras is extremely difficult, which supports my argument that it is a nonsense to claim that Leicester's achievement would be greater than Forest's.
Way less than Leicester's for winning the PL this season - as has been explained to you - at ****ing length What part of Leicester winning the PL this season would be the greatest upset in the history of sport are you struggling with? http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/sto...ome-biggest-long-shot-champion-sports-history Leicester City sits atop the Premier League by five points with 13 games left in a 38-game season as it heads into a pivotal match on Sunday against perennial power Arsenal. If the previous sentence doesn't mean anything to you, imagine if the Philadelphia 76ers were the top team in today's NBA standings or the Cleveland Browns had the NFL's best record heading into Week 12. Even those comparisons might not do justice to the performance Leicester City has produced in 2015-16. Not only did the Foxes have a 13-game winless run last season, they were only six points from being relegated to a lower level of competition. Leicester City wasn't even in the Premier League two years ago. The club earned promotion to England's top soccer league starting in the 2014-15 season for the first time in 10 years. William Hill, an England-based bookmaker, had the Foxes as 5,000-1 long shots to win the Premier League before this season. If they hold on to claim the title, it would be the biggest upset in sports history, according to William Hill press officer Joe Crilly. (The Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook had given Leicester City 2,500-1 odds to win the Premier League. The 76ers, by comparison, had 200-1 odds to win this season's NBA title coming off an 18-64 season.) There is no previous example of an underdog the likes of Leicester City beating odds as long as 5,000-1. There have been a few 100-1 or longer shots that either shockingly came through or fell tantalizingly short. Here's a look at 10 of those teams (unless noted, odds are from before the season or tournament): 5000/1 is the price you can get for Elvis being alive please log in to view this image
This is nothing more than your opinion. It isn't fact. You don't put a price on Forest winning the league in the season it was promoted, because you know full well that those odds would have been extremely long. The odds would have been the same, I suggest, as any odds quoted last season on Leicester winning the Prem in their promotion season. On that basis, to say what Leicester might achieve this season is greater than what Forest actually did achieve, is a statement of the most arrogantly idiotic nature I can imagine (outside of Pixie predicting that Arsenal will beat Barca by 3 clear goals at Camp Nou).
