Match Day Thread Southampton v West Ham United Saturday 6th February 2016 KO 17:30

A reckless challenge is a yellow card in the laws of the game.

 

29,161 was the quoted attendance, I know a lot of people that paid for the original date and couldn't make Saturdays game.

 

How was Vics attempted tackle any different than reckless?

 

Your point being....?

Thanks, I couldn't be bothered to check, but my point still stands!

 

Nice to see you're admitting Clattenburg got the Vic call wrong, apart from that, he was bang average.

 

Nope. Vic's was out of control and therefore serious foul play therefore red card. Byram's was excessive force so should have been a red as well.

 

If you want consistency, don't use human beings. It will all depend on where the officials are looking, where other players are, and yes, how the players involved react. Think of the two incidents and hold them in your head....a player stands on another's foot, injured player stays on feet or a large player flies in, out of control and scythes another player to the ground. I know which one I'd give a red card to.

 

That's awful comment. What you are admitting there is that referees can't apply the laws of the game unless a player exaggerates or emphasizes the foul against them. We should give up having them in that case.

 

I really think that a lot of you really don't know how difficult it is to be a referee. I can't even give a referee's perspective of things without being scoffed at.

 

But that is not good enough Tom. This statement says that referees will be influenced by the player reaction. This has to be the biggest thing wrong in football and a referee is now telling me that it's human nature to be affected by it. All that training should prepare them to be not affected by it, otherwise why have professional referees?

 

I saw it as he was marginally late sliding in front of Payet and sweeping the ball out from in front of his foot. I think Vic knew exactly what he was attempting to do, and mistimed it, not lost control.
Byram was another big call that Clattenburg got wrong so I think I'll downgrade the ref's performance to below average, which in the sea of mediocrity that make up our top flight referees is pretty terrible.

 

Tom we do know how hard it is, but you can't have your cake and eat it. Making a statement that says that a player "should have gone down" in order to get the right punishment issued really undermines any confidence people may have in referees. What chance do we have?

The two examples yesterday were classic:

1. Player goes down and rolls around for ages in agony, referee surrounded by players.... red card.
2. Player gets stud over the top foul, player stays on feet, no team mates surround the ref and incorrect punishment given.

What you are saying is that to get the decisions, the players need to act.

For the record, incase you think I am just having a go at referees, I thought the Vic challenge was awful, even though on seeing the replay he missed the player and I wouldn't have questioned the red card until Clattenburg missed the same opportunity twice with West Ham fouls.

 

I feel people are making too much of this. I don't think the challenge itself was a straight red but Vic had been fouling rather consistently up to that point (The added theatrics obviously having an effect as well). It was a questionable decision...who cares, we won the game and have more than ample cover for Vics position. Without cup games we have a relaxed schedule and his absence wont be a massive blow.

Lets focus on the fact that we comfortably repelled 'Wist am' with 10 men and are on a fantastic run with few injury concerns. We have comfortably avoided the relegation zone and Europe is again on our radar. Clasie, Romeu and all our other big signings are finally fully integrated and bringing their attributes to our game.

So **** clattenburg and west ham....we won...lets move on to the next victim!

 

Fran that is all well and good, so referees need players to roll around to help them make the correct decision? Things can be got wrong, but we can't have the above effect making the correct decision.

 

Nah, not enough llllllll, chchchchch or ddddddddddddddddd

 

Did the sniper that shot Payet get a yellow or red?
Or was he tazered? Remarkable recovery though.

 

Just seen lots of slow motion son that and the referee can't see this, but poor old Vic, as poor a challenge as it was, you can see his eyes looking at the ball (well, it appeared that way to me) with no malice at all on his face.

 

We're not scoffing at you Tom, we're disagreeing with the notion that it's OK to be influenced by either the player fouled, or his teammates. Neither is allowed in the laws of the game, so why is it tolerated?

I know how difficult it is to become a Premier League referee. The son of a friend of mine is a non-league ref who runs the line in Football League games. The number of hoops he still has to jump through to even be considered for the PL is huge, and he must despair at ever getting the opportunity. That is why those that are on top of the pyramid like Clattenburg, have to be beyond reproach in terms of their consistency and observation of not just the big, obvious things, but all the niggly little things that happen in a Premer League game where the stakes are so massive. Of course every ref will make the odd blunder and give us fans something to talk about, but this argument isn't about mistakes, it's about being influenced by the likes of Mark Noble screaming for a fellow-professional to be sent off, and it sticks in my craw.

 

I notice Ron didn't criticise the ref. Vic has only himself to blame.

Good to Classsie continues to improve.

 

Definitely no malice. But a thoroughly idiotic lunge.