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Off Topic Stupidities done in the name of Religion

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  1. its been fun thanks :)

    its been fun thanks :) ♬♬Badum-tish! ♬♬
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    I was in Bensham today ...
    I'm that area regularly as I usually chauffeur my wife around for her work - I like the area as it's interesting to watch people go about there daily lives, it's has a multi cultural and diverse populace of religions in that area of Gateshead - one being a large community of strictly Jewish Orthodox Haredi, one of the strange things (in my mind) is that the married woman wear wigs - these women shave off their hair in the name of religious modesty, they all seem to dress the same -somewhat dowdy indeed it's a poor-mans imitation of the Stepford Wives - it got me thinking about all the crazy things that religious people do in the name of their religious doctrines - primarily Judaic the practise of circumcision (in reference to Billy's recent thread) I mean why? probably even more sinister female variation of genital mutilation that's practice in the name of various religion ... wtf!

    All around the globe we have religious people practising Self Flagellation, Fasting ,Mortification or only eating certain foods (c'mon for Gods sake the taste of a bacon sandwich is heavenly), believing in Transubstantiation- I'm certainly guilty of that one being brought up a Catholic boy - Jeez I even served in church as a altar boy during my youth (which reminds me I'll need to go to confession once I've posted this thread up<doh>), Penitential rites, Living in Sanctuary or Religious Confinement the list is endless - plus I'm not mentioning the wars and strife created in the name of religion or it being used to promote homophobia, racism, bigotry and such like ... that's been well debated on here

    I have diverse friends- some of them practise 'religion' these friends I would consider somewhat intellectual until it comes to their beliefs then it all goes out the window as they live in this physical world pretending 'outer-worldly' magic governs it! Millions of people practice stupid stuff for their 'religion' and because a lot of people believe stupid stuff doesn't mean it isn't stupid. It just means that stupidity is popular on this planet! When people are in a state of fear, they’ll swallow just about anything to comfort themselves, including the bastion of stupidity known as religion

    No offence intended just wanted to air my thoughts - feel free to add, preach, concur, or disagree entirely
     
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  2. Blunham Mackem

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    You can write about the lunacy of religion on the back of a stamp.

    A stamp the size of Europe.
     
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  3. Tel (they/them)

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    Most of those Jewish ladies don't shave their heads nowadays mate, they just keep it short enough to conceal with their wigs.

    Here's one for you, the first incision during the circumcision process involving Hasidic Jews used to be done by the Rabbi, with his teeth. Until they found out that STD's were being given to babies <doh> absolutely disgusting.
     
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    Here's one off the BBC website - just shows how religion brainwashes kids

    After a Pakistani boy cut off his own hand following a public accusation of blasphemy, BBC Urdu's Iram Abbasi travelled to his village in Punjab province to find out what happened. She is the first international broadcaster to speak to him. Some readers may find the details that follow disturbing.

    "Why should I feel any pain or trouble in cutting off the hand that was raised against the Holy Prophet?"

    Those are the words of 15-year-old Qaiser (not his real name) who chopped off his right hand just a few days ago believing he had committed blasphemy.

    Many believe fellow villagers started shaming the boy after the local cleric had made the accusation of blasphemy - and that is why Qaiser felt the need to prove his love for the Prophet Muhammad.

    On 11 January, Qaiser was attending a celebration of the Prophet's birth at a mosque in his village in north-eastern Punjab.

    Media captionSpeaking to BBC Urdu's Iram Abbasi, the boy said; "I chopped off my hand... and showed the Imam"

    The cleric hosting it worked the crowd into a fervour and, a few hours into the celebration, called out: "Who among you is a follower of Muhammad?" Everyone raised their hands.

    He followed it with another question: "Who among you doesn't believe in the teachings of the Holy Prophet? Raise your hands!"

    Qaiser, mishearing, inadvertently raised his hand.

    Image captionThe mosque was empty when the BBC visited - but the mood was intense during the sermon

    Witnessed by about 100 worshippers, the cleric immediately accused him of blasphemy and the boy returned home to prove his love for the Prophet - by cutting off his own hand.

    For a 15-year-old, Qaiser looked exceptionally frail when I met him. But his fight with pain and fear was outweighed by a sense of religious righteousness.

    "When I raised my right hand unwittingly, I realised I had committed blasphemy and needed to atone for this," he told the BBC.

    It appears it didn't matter to him whether it was a mistake or not - he couldn't live with the shame of the accusation without punishing himself, so had to undo it.

    "I came back home and went to the grass-cutting machine, but found the place dark so I took my uncle's phone to point some light at my hand. I placed it under the machine and chopped it off in a single swirl."

    Qaiser picked his severed hand up from under the machine and, bleeding profusely, placed it on a tray and took it back to the mosque, less than 100 metres from his home.

    Image captionThe machine Qaiser used to cut off his hand

    Asked about everyone's reaction, he said: "They didn't say anything. A few people came forward to take me to the hospital, before I passed out."

    Religious fervour did not only override empathy among the villagers - even Qaiser does not seem disposed to self-pity.

    "I didn't feel any pain when I chopped it off so why would I feel any now? The hand that commits blasphemy should be chopped off," he said, with a restrained smile.

    His entire village is celebrating the act of expiation. The extreme nature of this "devotional" act has made Qaiser into a revered figure.

    He is being heralded among the villagers, and to a certain degree by himself, as a righteous hero. Most of his fellow villagers are illiterate and belong to an extremely conservative Islamic sect - their profoundly religious life is reflected in the mosques you find every few paces in this part of Pakistan. But Qaiser's act has even drawn admiration from surrounding villages.

    Image captionQaiser's family are poor and can little afford to lose the hand of a future breadwinner

    Farooq, a man in his mid-thirties, was one of those who came to pay his respects. Appearing at Qaiser's home, he took the boy's left hand, kissed it and pressed it against his forehead. Following local custom, he also placed some cash in the pocket of the teenager he hails as a hero.

    "I heard that a boy sacrificed his own hand for the love of our Prophet. I came here to meet him."

    "The boy's gesture to show his love for the Prophet is unmatchable. I'm here to encourage him and to pay homage," he continued, his eyes brimming with tears of affection.

    Qaiser is the youngest of five children and the first to continue his school studies into his mid-teens. He had always been known for his strong religious convictions.

    Image captionVillagers in this conservative part of Pakistan have supported and praised Qaiser's action

    While Qaiser was having his wounds dressed in a poorly-equipped clinic, his father told us: "I hardly make ends meet."

    Breaking down, he added: "I don't even have money to pay the nurse. I also want a new hand for my son. My only solace is that he did for the Prophet."

    The cleric has been arrested under anti-terrorism laws, and denies charges of inciting hatred and violence. But the family does not want the cleric to be punished.

    That Qaiser punished himself so severely after being accused of blasphemy is unprecedented in Pakistan. But some say he may have been spared a worse fate in an increasingly conservative country, where people accused of blasphemy, or those who defend them, can end up victims of mob violence and lynching.

    In 2011, Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer was murdered by one of his own bodyguards in the capital, Islamabad, after criticising Pakistan's strict blasphemy laws and voicing support for a Christian woman sentenced to death for a blasphemy charge she denies.

    Another outspoken critic of Pakistan's blasphemy laws, Shahbaz Bhatti, the country's first minorities minister and a Christian, was also shot dead in 2011.

    Many will find the story of what Qaiser did to clear his name disturbing but it highlights the extreme sensitivity around the issue of blasphemy in Pakistan.

    What may have started as a simple misunderstanding went on to have life changing consequences for a child.
     
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  5. Nostalgic

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    The paradox in that tale Kinky was that he used modern technology to sever his hand in the name of an ancient religion when he had made a genuine mistake. Sums religion leaders up when the Imam jumped on his mistake.
     
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  6. Tel (they/them)

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    Backwards ****ing religion.

    He'd have been better off sticking his head in the grass cutter.
     
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  7. its been fun thanks :)

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    I seem to recall you mentioning once about your partner and her family being Judaic in their faith - I know there is different levels in Judaism such as being Ultra Orthodox in practice - how do you get your head around it all ?- such as when thinking about why woman wear wigs to cover short hair or the segregation of women in worship etc
     
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    I just despair sometimes - l can understand religion can be good for someone who is bereaved or someone who is terminally ill etc it can be a comfort unfortunately it gets hijacked by total and utter w**nkers
     
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  9. Tel (they/them)

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    We moved away from the 'community' mate I couldn't stand it, it's too intense and I felt like it was almost forced on me. Fortunately they're taught not to judge others so you don't get the sense that they think you're beneath them or anything, but they do have some extreme views that eventually would have got me into trouble.

    Her family are great, they barely acknowledge anything unless you get a day off work for it.

    You know me mate, most things I find ridiculous about religion, some things are extreme and some things I find are just 'gods' way of helping them understand the value of life.
     
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    Now that I don`t understand at all.

    What`s the point of cutting hair off & wear hair on top?

    Beyond me that one. :huh:
     
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    The wig is so that the husband only gets to see his wife in all her natural beauty, the Jewish Burkah if you like.

    Shaving the hair was so they could get the wig on I guess <laugh>

    Like I say, they don't do it as often now, wigs are probably made better nowadays <ok>
     
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  12. its been fun thanks :)

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    The thing is - and I've been studying these 'wives' walking around Bensham for weeks now, is that the wigs they're wearing are nearly all the same- mousy in colour and in the same style - it really looks odd when you watch hordes of them walking their kids to the schools it's almost creepy - why I compared it to the Stepford Wives earlier - another thing is I read about 'being curious minded' is that the wigs are made from human hair - that makes it even more bizarre - to shave off your own hair only to wear another woman's discarded hair :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    When they cut their own hair off do they sell it to make wigs for other women?

    A new game. Musical hair. Whatever next.
     
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    What's more disturbing is how the prisoners hair was always shaved off in labour camps in WW2. I've seen piles of it, it was sold by the trailer load to make bedding and stuff.

    Extremely disrespectful to those who died in places like Auschwitz if you ask me. I think that's why a lot don't shave it anymore.
     
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    I've often wondered if Catholics really believe that their God can be turned into a biscuit which they eat although enough people died horribly ridiculing it during the Reformation.
    Can it be any biscuit? If you don't have the wafers can the priest use Jammy Dodgers and turn God into one of those?
    Can God be a Jaffa Cake because technically they are biscuits not cakes (biscuits get soggy when you leave them in the open, cakes get dry).
     
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    some strange posts on here lately. Alabama hot pocket , now this. f**k sake
     
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  17. its been fun thanks :)

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    Excellent point <cheers> - the same argument can be made for the wine aspect of communion can any wine be utilised or any type of alcohol maybe gin or pale ale instead of red wine
     
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    All religions are ****ing ****e imo.
    No time for any of that malarky.
    I've discussed it on here many times.
     
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    I`ll have a guinness please, or is that racist? <devil>
     
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    Not if you have a chocolate hobnob with it
     
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