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Mclaren this weekend

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by SteveG, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. TheModestMatt

    TheModestMatt Member

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    I was just about to say the same thing.

    The problem with Jenson is that he knows he cannot beat Lewis with a similar set up, so every race he tries to go in a completely different direction in hope that its faster. Its a risk he and his engineers take.

    Anyway anything can happen tomorrow, Jenson could grab a podium for sure with changeable conditions. I just cannot wait for turn one, Webber, Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso wont back off into turn one.
     
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  2. Masanari

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    I am sorry but I do not agree with that at all. Button goes for the set up which he is most comfortable in and which will allow him to drive the fastest that he can. They have said many many times this and last season that in fact both Hamilton's and Button's set ups are virtually the same.
     
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  3. TheModestMatt

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    If that is the case then I stand corrected. But Lewis being 1.1 seconds faster than Jenson with virtually the same set up says a lot about both drivers.
     
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  4. Masanari

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    I think everyone will acknowledge that Hamilton is a much better qualifier than Button and that Hamilton deals with an off-balanced car much better than Button, which I think helps to explain most of the reason why the two cars where so far apart.
     
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  5. Prime Minister Cameron

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    I think we all know that the only way Button can beat Hamilton....:

    - Changeable Conditions
    - If Hamilton is well off the pace(An off day)

    Hamilton is a far better driver than Button, this argument should have finished at the end of last year. Hamilton VS Button using the same car and Hamilton beat Button by 26 points, more than a race victory.

    Button has a chance though to gain some places as the weather looks wet for tomorrow's race.
     
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  6. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Rubbish. Hamilton is not and never will be 1.1s faster than Button on merit. If it was 0.5/0.6s then you could play the "Hamilton is more adaptible card" but it is clear that something was not right for jenson today
     
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  7. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    If that is your idea of far better PMC then i would love to know what you think of Vettel-Webber or Alonso-Massa
     
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  8. cosicave

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    What a tremendous lap from Hamilton.

    I'd rather not become involved in the rather circular Button/Hamilton arguments but BLS has hinted at part of the reason for such a difference at this track, which really rewards a 'throw-it-in' driving style, particularly with changeable wind in the elevation changes. Button's more technical style benefits from tracks like Hungaroring, where I expect the gap to be far smaller; pin-point accuracy being the key to success there. Button's qualifying is not his biggest strength, but I would not be at all surprised to see him come out on top of his team-mate during the next race.

    Back to Hamilton: surely no-one can take anything away from him for that lap. Not wishing to go overboard, I still find myself acknowledging that it was very, very special indeed…
     
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  9. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    I have to agree with most of the views- Webber and Hamilton really put in superb laps.
    I also do not think Button is that much behind in ability - the strange turns in fortune at McLaren seem to get hidden by Hamilton with his aggressive style.
    However Button looking for the perfect smooth setup gets hit in qualy.
    It seems to me the guys at McL are putting updates together without any real proof - hoping they work out.
    Desperation?
     
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  10. EternalMSC

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    Hamilton is slightly better than Button, as Rosberg is better than Schumacher..
    In the race however things change. Schumacher gains multiple positions in under one lap, Button can use his experience to get one over Hamilton in varied situations.
     
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  11. Bergkamp a Dutch master

    Bergkamp a Dutch master New Member

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    Manny - I find myself finally AGREEING with you .......
    Schumacher has that special experience which often allows him to go for situations where others fear to tread.
    Rosberg might do better over race length we shall see. Both Button and Shuey may come into their own in showery or full wet conditions.
     
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  12. EternalMSC

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    Haha, lets do the rain dance.
     
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  13. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    I did - and it bloody poured here in E.Berks. I could try chanting in a deep German accent?
     
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  14. SteveG

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    Not saying that this couldnt happen but if Button starts behind Hamilton he ususally stays there - unless Hamilton makes a big mistake.
     
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  15. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    Well Hamilton seems to collect punctures around this circuit on lap 1. As a Hamilton fan I will be nervous about his start because I know he will attack Webber at the first corner and him vs Webber 9/10 always ends in tears.
     
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  16. Forza Bianchi

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    You'd think Lewis will be aggressive going into turn one, but would Webber risk it all to stay ahead of Hamilton? I'm not so sure. If Lewis is to get another puncture at turn 1, it will be after contact with Alonso.

    I say this because:
    - Webber will (presumably) be cautious going into turn 1
    - Vettel has a huge lead in the WDC and won't take risks
    - Alonso said a few days before Silverstone that he will take risks at the start because he has nothing to lose - already evident in Valencia and Silverstone where he braked very late into the first heavy braking zones.
     
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  17. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

    Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat Active Member

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    Webber is not a good starter so im hoping with a more powerful KERS system
    Hamilton will get him and lead into turn 1.
     
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  18. Prime Minister Cameron

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    Get over it. Even you know Hamilton is at least 4 tenths faster (in pushing quali mode) a lap than Button.
     
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  19. Paco Montoya

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    Hamilton is faster than Button, no doubt, better? I'm not so sure
     
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  20. JWP is the goal king

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    Hamilton and Button are like Alonso and Massa.

    There is one clearly faster driver (Hamilton and Alonso) but on their day, the other driver is capable of beating there team mate.
     
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