Off Topic Dark Matter and other Astronomy information.

We broke Sisu

 

went over that bridge at lunch time on my way to the bank. It's gone down slightly. I used to live across the river from that pub in a place called Skeldergate. Smashing batchelor flat (really tiny, which was great) and i lived in the pub next door called the Cock and Bottle, that had Sky Sports and lock-ins with 90's licensing hours.

Went for a run once and there was a few puddles when I left. Got back an hour later and I hade to wade through knee deep water to get back to my flat. It can really rise ****ing quick, belive me.

Btw, that pub in the picture (and the Lowther next to it) floods that often that they keep the beer kegs upstairs, as opposed to a cellar. And apparently they used to store the bodies of executed people, such as Dick Turpin, there as well.

I was asked to leave the Kings Arms one afternoon for saying Richard III was a nonce who killed the princes and was as much a usurper as Henry Tudor. I was pissedH

 

Saw my first daffodil shoots of the 'spring' this morning

 

So then back to dark matter and other astronomical stuff.

I could just about get my head round the idea of a supermassive black hole having a huge gravitational pull but now its spitting out stuff it doesn't like the taste of. Too weird for me.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/c...s-supermassive-black-hole-burping-nearby.html

 

So as soon as I can't be on here people are offering pictures of people in kayaks as proof that CAGW is real
Of course the floods in 1700s that raised water levels 12 feet, that was also CAGW


But no mind, carry on. A hot day in July, that was debunked, that is "proof"

Funny how those of the same ideology all band together, even those that hate each other

Now to continue the actual factual debate.

I would like to point out the massive contradiction of the two main protagonists here Tobes and Astro.
You say NASA GISS is correct. NASA GISS says no pause.
But Tobes and Astro argued as to why the pause happened, ergo they support data that shows no pause and yet believe it happened, especially astro (areosols was his reason) So believing it did not happen and it did happen at the same time.

You people dont even know what you believe, that is hilarious, The mediaeval warming period happened, but nope it didn't, even though it has been shown to have happened in Europe Asia the Americas. But it didn't happen apparently because there are no records for the tropics and southern hemisphere, yet they can make up a 120 year record for the southern hemisphere.. logic fail but ok

Finland on NASA GISS March 2010. According to NASA Northern Finland was 1c+ in March, a record, breaking the previous record set in 1920 -2.2c NOTE FINLAND

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But the Finnish Met say the complete opposite, the average temp for northern Finland was -10c

March 2010 was also unusually cold in March 2010 according to the met office here.

http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/1270030521

March became the fourth consecutive month, which was colder than normal in Finland. In most parts of the country a month was also wetter than normal.

According to the Finnish Meteorological Institute in March the average temperature ranged from Finland a few degrees below zero in the south of the eastern and northern Lapland to over 10 centigrades zero. Deviation from the long-term average was the highest in North Ostrobothnia and Lapland, which was colder than normal in some places more than three degrees. Instead, in the south was reached near normal values.

Throughout the country the average temperature was -6.6 degrees Celsius, which was 1.7 degrees below the long term average. March was the fourth month in a row, when the whole country the average temperature was below the long term average.

The lowest temperature of the month was -35.2 degrees, and it was measured in Rovaniemi Apukassa the 16th day of March. At the end of the month the temperature rose in the south, a few days in some places close to 10 degrees. Monthly maximum temperature of 9.9 degrees was measured in Kristiinankaupunki 31.

In March, it rained most of the eastern and northern regions with the exception of northernmost Lapland. Rainfall increased in some places more than 60 millimeters, but in northernmost Lapland fell short in some areas even less than 20 millimeters. Precipitation was higher than normal in most parts of the country, in the central and northern part of the relation in some places more than one and a half times the long-term average. Instead, in northernmost Lapland and Satakunta in the northern part of the monthly precipitation remained below the seasonal mean.

Both the low precipitation, the wettest place can be found in Lapland, the Rovaniemi airport rained a total of 92 millimeters and Enontekiön Näkkälä only 7 millimeters. The maximum daily precipitation was 23.5 mm, and it was measured in Saariselkä in Inari on 28 days.

Snow and ice are melting rapidly balmy weather

At the end of the month was snow in the southern and eastern part of the snow for more than half a meter, and in the west and south-west 30-50 centimeters. The snow was in some places significantly more than usually at the end of March. In Lapland the snow cover thickness was slightly higher than usual, and in some places the snow was a meter. The maximum snow cover thickness was measured in Inari, Saariselkä, 30 March, when there was snow on 113 centimeters.

At the end of March, the mild and rainy weather have begun to melt the southern coast of ice. The Gulf and the Sea of Bothnia the southern part of the coastal zone The fast will begin to weaken. The Finnish Meteorological Institute warns that the current locations opens the melting points and the movement of the ice turns dangerous.


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Proven NASA fraud, what do you want like

What actually happened was NASA used temp data that should have had a minus sign, and didn't so magically created warm records. But why would believers know that.

GISS warmed parts of Finland by an average of +8.5c degrees, not CO2 not climate

Again we have a NASA MODEL, it's a model you knobs A NASA model re writing the actual records of a country to show DRASTICALLY more warming. #fraud

 

I've been busy with real life mate.

There are papers for both arguments of sun driving climate or not. None of the papers you claimed were disowend were retracted, all I got was your claims repeated from skeptical science.

You like the solar debate because it is impossible to show one way or another, other than posting papers and opinions of papers, so it is one area where nothing can be directly shown, which is why you like it.

You never posted the retractions I asked for, or backed any claims you made about authors "backing away" other than what you read on SKeptical science.
Where are the retractions? Those papers you say are bunk were peer reviewed, by solar physicists I'd imagine.

So to boil it down to nuts and bolts, you dont like that, we have two sets of papers that disagree and no skills between us to say which is correct.
That is why I discontinued that area, because it went outside of my basic knowledge, but can you actually accept it is beyond your understanding to disseminate the papers and their work? Nope, you pretend to be a solar physicist by quoting Skeptical science.

And then claim "win", when it's not a game. I keep telling you that but you seem to not understand, this is not a partisan ideological subject.

 

Here astro, seeig as you think you "won"? the solar issue, which is weird.
Some papers you think dont exist. 123 papers on the sun driving climate.

Given you have it sussed, you must have read all of these then to know they are wrong?

This was why I said #impasse because you have no idea. Neither do I when you boil it down.
That is why I do not focus "much" on solar, I offered it when you asked why the 60s and 70s were cool, not as a focus for argument but still, the below shows that you don't even know what the science is about unless you've read all the papers, how many have you read? The one on skeptical science? How do you actually learn anything when you block out everything that disagrees with what you "believe"?

1. Using data to attribute episodes of warming and cooling in instrumental records, Ka-Kit Tung1 and Jiansong Zhou, 12/2012; “…anthropogenic global warming trends might have been overestimated by a factor of two in the second half of the 20th century.”

2. Discrepancies in tropical upper tropospheric warming between atmospheric circulation models and satellites, Stephen Po-Chedley and Qiang Fu, 10/2012. Read more here.

3. Significant Changes to ENSO Strength and Impacts in the Twenty-First Century: Results from CMIP5, Samantha Stevenson, 09/2012; read more here, “…ENSO amplitude does and does not respond to climate change...”

4. Secular temperature trends for the southern Rocky Mountains over the last five centuries, Berkelhammer and Stott, 09/2012. “Temperature trends in SW US have been relatively stable over last 5 centuries.”

5. Solar forcing on the ice winter severity index in the western Baltic region, M.C. Leal-Silv et al, 09/2012, read http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/05/solar-activity-linked-to-arctic-winter-severity/more here. “…ice winter severity index is strongly modulated by solar activity at the decadal periodicity.”

6. Radiation Budget of the West African Sahel and its Controls: A Perspective from Observations and Global Climate Models, Miller et al, 8/2012, read more here; “… GCMs underestimated the surface LW and SW CRF and predicted near zero SW CRE when the measured values were substantially larger…”

7. Pressure changes in the Arctic from 1801 to 1920 Atmospheric , Przybylak et al, 08/2012; read more here. “…that the atmospheric pressure in early [Arctic] instrumental period [from 1801 to 1920] was not significantly different to that of present day.”

8. Orbital forcing of tree-ring data, Esper et al, 07/2012; read hmore here. “…large-scale near-surface air-temperature reconstructions relying on tree-ring data may underestimate pre-instrumental temperatures including warmth during Medieval and Roman times.”

9. Impact of the solar cycle and the QBO on the atmosphere and the ocean, Petrick et al, 07/2012; Read more here. “…it is concluded that comprehensive climate model studies require a middle atmosphere as well as a coupled ocean to investigate and understand natural climate variability.”

10. Marine climatic seasonality during early medieval times (10th to 12th centuries) based on isotopic records in Viking Age shells from Orkney, Scotland, Surge and Barret, 07/2012; read more here . “…conclusion that the early MCA was warmer than the late 20th century by ~ 1 °C.”

11. Investigation of methods for hydroclimatic data homogenization, Steirou, E., and D. Koutsoyiannis, 07/2012; read more here. “…results cast some doubts in the use of homogenization procedures and tend to indicate that the global temperature increase during the last century is between 0.4°C and 0.7°C…”

12. Multi-archive summer temperature reconstruction for the European Alps, AD 1053–1996. Trachsel et al, 07/2012; read more here.

13. A 101 year record of windstorms in the Netherlands. Cusack, 07/2012; read more here.

14. Winter temperature variations over the middle and lower reaches of the Yangtze River since 1736 AD. Z.-X. Hao et al, 06/2012; read more here .

15. Does the Sun work as a nuclear fusion amplifier of planetary tidal forcing? A proposal for a physical mechanism based on the mass-luminosity relation (PDF), Nicola Scafetta, 06/2012, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volumes 81–82, pp. 27-40.

16. Holocene glacier fluctuations and climate changes in the southeastern part of the Russian Altai (South Siberia) based on a radiocarbon chronology, 06/2012; read more here.

17. A 9170-year record of decadal-to-multi-centennial scale pluvial episodes from the coastal Southwest United States: a role for atmospheric rivers?, Kirby et al, 06/2012; read more here.

18. The Medieval Climate Anomaly in the Iberian Peninsula reconstructed from marine and lake records Moreno et al, 06/2012; “…a persistent positive mode of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) dominated the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA: 900–1300 AD).”

19. Alternative pathway for atmospheric particles growth. Monge et al, 05/2012, Read more here. “…aerosols still pose key uncertainties in the understanding of Earth’s radiative balance {…] major gaps exist in the understanding of the physicochemical pathways that lead to aerosol growth…”

20. Changes in climate variability in Central Europe during the past 250 years 05/2012 read more here.

21. Solar influences on atmospheric circulation, K. Georgieva et al, 05/2012, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics

22. Nile Delta vegetation response to Holocene climate variability, Bernhardt et al, 05/2012; read more here.

23. Tree ring based precipitation reconstruction in the south slope of the middle Qilian Mountains, northeastern Tibetan Plateau, over the last millennium 04/2012, Read more here.

24. Tree ring based precipitation reconstruction in the south slope of the middle Qilian Mountains, northeastern Tibetan Plateau, over the last millennium, Junyan Sun, Yu Liu, 04/2012, Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 117

25. Evidence of Suess solar-cycle bursts in subtropical Holocene speleothem δ18O records, 04/2012; read more here.

26. Spring temperature variability relative to the North Atlantic Oscillation and sunspots — A correlation analysis with a Monte Carlo implementation, 04/2012; read more here.

27. Trends in sunspots and North Atlantic sea level pressure, Harry van Loon et al., 04/2012, Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 117

28. Assessment of the relationship between the combined solar cycle/ENSO forcings and the tropopause temperature Alfred M. Powell Jr., Jianjun Xu, 03/2012, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 80, pp. 21–27

29. Strong evidence for the influence of solar cycles on a Late Miocene lake system revealed by biotic and abiotic proxies A. K. Kern, Palaeogeography, 03/2012, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, Volumes 329–330, pp. 124–136

30. Variability of rainfall and temperature (1912–2008) parameters measured from Santa Maria (29°41′S, 53°48′W) and their connections with ENSO and solar activity P. H. Rampelotto et al, 03/2012, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 77, pp. 152–160

31. Multi-scale harmonic model for solar and climate cyclical variation throughout the Holocene based on Jupiter–Saturn tidal frequencies plus the 11-year solar dynamo cycle (PDF), Nicola Scafetta 03/2012, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics

32. Bicentennial Decrease of the Total Solar Irradiance Leads to Unbalanced Thermal Budget of the Earth and the Little Ice Age, Habibullo I. Abdussamatov, 02/2012 (PDF)
Applied Physics Research, Volume 4, Issue 1, pp.178-184

33. An ikaite record of late Holocene climate at the Antarctic Peninsula, Lu et al, 02/2012; read more here. “…record qualitatively supports that both the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age extended to the Antarctic Peninsula.”

34. Hydroclimate of the northeastern United States is highly sensitive to solar forcing, Nichols et al, 02/2012; read more here. “…Regional moisture balance responds strongly and consistently to solar forcing at centennial to millennial timescales…”

35. The long sunspot cycle 23 predicts a significant temperature decrease in cycle 24 , Solheim et al, 02/2012; read more here. “…25–56% of the temperature increase the last 150 years may be attributed to the Sun.”

36. 9,400 years of cosmic radiation and solar activity from ice cores and tree rings, Steinhilber et al, 02/2012, read more here.

37. High-resolution sea surface reconstructions off Cape Hatteras over the last 10 ka, Cléroux et al, 02/2012; read more here. “The last decade of paleoclimate research has shown that the Holocene is not the stable, climatic event-free period as previously thought: both external and internal (oceanic) forcings have caused major climatic changes.”

38. Variability and extremes of northern Scandinavian summer temperatures over the past two millennia, Esper et al, 01/2012; read more here. “The warmest and coldest reconstructed 30-year periods (AD 21–50 = + 1.05 °C, and AD 1451–80 = − 1.19 °C) differ by more than 2 °C, and the range between the five warmest and coldest reconstructed summers in the context of the past 2000 years is estimated to exceed 5 °C.”

39. Climatic variations over the last 4000 cal yr BP in the western margin of the Tarim Basin, Xinjiang, reconstructed from pollen data, 01/2012; read more here.

40. Possible evidence of the resonant influence of solar forcing on the climate system. Gusev and Martin, 01/2012; read more here.

41. Solar and volcanic fingerprints in tree-ring chronologies over the past 2000 years, Breitenmoser et al, 2012. “...significant periodicities near the DeVries frequency during the entire past 1500 years, pointing to a solar imprint on global climate.”

42. Bunker Cave stalagmites: an archive for central European Holocene climate variability , J. Fohlmeister, 2012. “…We found cold and dry periods between 9 and 7 ka, 6.5 and 5.5 ka, 4 and 3 ka as well as between 0.7 to 0.2 ka.”

43. Bacterial GDGTs in Holocene sediments and catchment soils of a high Alpine lake: application of the MBT/CBT-paleothermometer, Niemann et al, 2012, read more here. “…Major climate anomalies recorded by the MBT/CBT-paleothermometer are, for instance, the Little Ice Age (~14th to 19th century) and the Medieval Warm Period (MWP, ~9th to 14th century).”

2011
44. Variability of rainfall and temperature (1912–2008) parameters measured from Santa Maria (29°41′S, 53°48′W) and their connections with ENSO and solar activity , Rampelotto et al, 12/2011; read more here. “…study shows that both solar activity fluctuations and internal oceanic cycles played crucial roles on Southern Brazilian climate during the last 100 years and continue to play a role today.

45. A 15,000 year record of vegetation and climate change from a treeline lake in the Rocky Mountains, Wyoming, USA, Mensing et al, 12/2011; read more here. “…

46. A possible solar pacemaker for Holocene fluctuations of a salt-marsh in southern Italy, Di Rita, 12/2011; read more here. “…important fluctuations in the extent of the salt-marsh in the coastal Tavoliere plain are related to variations of solar activity.”

47. Testing an astronomically based decadal-scale empirical harmonic climate model versus the IPCC (2007) general circulation climate models , 12/2011; read more here.

48. Solar Activity and Svalbard Temperatures, Solheim et al, 11/2011; read more here. “…models show that 60 per cent of the annual and winter temperature variations are explained by solar activity.”

49. Mesospheric temperature trends at mid-latitudes in summer, Berger et al, 11/2011; “…This large cooling is primarily caused by long-term changes of ozone in the upper stratosphere in combination with a CO2 increase.”

50. Variation in surface air temperature of China during the 20th century, Willie Soon, Koushik Dutta, David R. Legates, Victor Velasco, WeiJia Zhang, 10/2011, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 73, Issue 16, pp. 2331-2344.

51. Disturbances with hiatuses in high-latitude coral reef growth during the Holocene: Correlation with millennial-scale global climate change, Hamanaka et al, 10/2011, read more here. “…coral reef growth was interrupted by suborbital millennial-scale global climate change induced by persistent solar activity during the Holocene…”

52. Mid-Holocene variability of the East Asian monsoon based on bulk organic δ13C and C/N records from the Pearl River estuary, southern China , 2011, read about it here.

53. Short term climate variability during “Roman Classical Period” in the eastern Mediterranean, Liang Chen et al, 10/2011; read more here . “…suggests that solar variability might be one of the major forcings of the regional climate.”

54. A shared frequency set between the historical mid-latitude aurora records and the global surface temperature (PDF), Nicola Scafetta, 10/2011,
Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics

55. Amplitudes, rates, periodicities and causes of temperature variations in the past 2485 years and future trends over the central-eastern Tibetan Plateau, 09/2011, LIU Yu; read more here. “The long-term trends (>1000 a) of temperature were controlled by the millennium-scale cycle, and amplitudes were dominated by multi-century cycles. Moreover, cold intervals corresponded to sunspot minimums. The prediction indicated that the temperature will decrease in the future until to 2068 AD…”

56. Identifying natural contributions to late Holocene climate change , Humlum et al, 09/2011; read more here. “…causes of millennial climate changes remain poorly understood…the role of such recurrent natural climate variations in the future climate development.”

57. The Evolution of the Albufereta Lagoon (Western Mediterranean): Climate Cycles and Sea-Level Changes , Garcia and Morilla, 08/2011; read more here. “…the two periods of most frequent superstorm strikes in the Aigues-Mortes Gulf (AD 455 and 1700-1900) coincide with two of the coldest periods in Europe during the late Holocene…”

58. Temporal derivative of Total Solar Irradiance and anomalous Indian summer monsoon: An empirical evidence for a Sun–climate connection, Rajesh Agnihotri, Koushik Dutta, Willie Soon, 08/2011, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 73, Issue 13, pp. 1980-1987

59. Evidences for a quasi 60-year North Atlantic Oscillation since 1700 and its meaning for global climate change (PDF), Adriano Mazzarella, Nicola Scafetta, 08/2011,
Theoretical and Applied Climatology

60. Climate patterns in north central China during the last 1800 yr and their possible driving force, Tan et al, 07/2011, read more here. “…Solar activity may be the dominant force that drove the same-phase variations of the temperature and precipitation in north central China.”

61. On the time-varying trend in global-mean surface temperature. Wu et al, 07/2011; Read more here.

62. Multifractal Detrended Cross-Correlation Analysis of Sunspot Numbers and River Flow Fluctuations, Hajian & Movahed, 07/2011; read more here. “…there exists a long-range cross-correlation between the sunspot numbers and the underlying streamflow records.”

63. Holocene hydrological changes in south-western Mediterranean as recorded by lake-level fluctuations at Lago Preola, a coastal lake in southern Sicily, Italy, Magny et al, 06/2011; read more here. “…climate oscillation around 7500 – 7000 cal BP may have resulted from combined effects of a strong rate of change in insolation and of variations in solar activity.”

64. Abrupt Holocene climate change and potential response to solar forcing in western Canada. Gavin et al, 05/2011: read more here. “…possible link between solar minima and El Niño-like conditions that are correlated with warm spring temperature in interior British Columbia.”

65. Temperature prognosis based on long sunspot cycle 23, Solheim et al, 05/2011, read more here. “…We find that for the Norwegian local stations investigated that 30-90% of the temperature increase in this period may be attributed to the Sun. For the average of 60 European stations we find !60% and globally (HadCRUT3) 50%.”

66. Possible impact of interplanetary and interstellar dust fluxes on the Earth’s climate, M. G. Ogurtsov, O. M. Raspopov, 04/2011, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 51, Number 2, pp. 275-283

67. A new approach to the long-term reconstruction of the solar irradiance leads to large historical solar forcing (PDF), A. I. Shapiro et al., 04/2011, Astronomy & Astrophysics, Volume 529, A67

68. Variations in climate parameters at time intervals from hundreds to tens of millions of years in the past and its relation to solar activity, O. M. Raspopov et. al., 02/2011, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 73, Issues 2–3, pp. 388–399

69. Natural climatic oscillations driven by solar activity, A. A. Gusev, 02/2011, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 51, Number 1, pp. 131-138

70. Variations in tree ring stable isotope records from northern Finland and their possible connection to solar activity, Maxim Ogurtsov, 02/2011, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 73, Issues 2–3, pp. 383–387

71. New Basic One-Dimensional One-Layer Model Obtains Excellent Agreement with the Observed Earth Temperature, Link et al, 01/2011; read more here.

72. Sun–earth relationship inferred by tree growth rings in conifers from Severiano De Almeida, Southern Brazil
(Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 01/2011) – A. Prestes et al.

73. Solar-geomagnetic activity influence on Earth’s climate Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 01/2011) – S. Mufti, G.N. Shah

74. Northern Hemisphere temperature patterns in the last 12 centuries, F. C. Ljungqvist, 2011; “…dominance of negative anomalies is observed from the 16th to 18th centuries […] 20th century warming is within the range of natural variability over the last 12 centuries.”

2010
75. Latitude dependency of solar flare index–temperature relation occuring over middle and high latitudes of Atlantic–Eurasian region, A. Kilcik et al., 12/2010, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 72, Issue 18, pp. 1379–1386

76. Dynamical Response of the Tropical Pacific Ocean to Solar Forcing During the Early Holocene, Thomas M. Marchitto et al., 12/2010, Science, Volume 330, Number 6009, pp. 1378-1381

77. The Influence of the Atmospheric Transmission for the Solar Radiation and Earth’s Surface Radiation on the Earth’s Climate (PDF), Habibullo I. Abdussamatov, Alexander I. Bogoyavlenskii, Sergey I. Khankov, Yevgeniy V. Lapovok, 10/2010, Journal of Geographic Information System, Volume 2, Number 4, pp. 194-200

78. A new reconstruction of temperature variability in the extra-tropical northern hemisphere during the last two milleina, Ljungqvist, 09/2010; “…mean temperatures seem to have reached or exceeded the 1961–1990 mean temperature level during substantial parts of the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period.”

79. Solar forcing of the semi-annual variation of length-of-day, Jean-Louis Le Mouel et al., 08/2010, Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 37, Number 15

80. Quantifying and specifying the solar influence on terrestrial surface temperature (PDF), C. de Jager, S. Duhau, B. van Geel, 08/2010, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 72, Issue 13, pp. 926-937

81. Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications (PDF), Nicola Scafetta, 08/2010, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 72, Issue 13, pp. 951-970

82. Difference in the air temperatures between the years of solar activity maximum and minimum and its mechanism, A. I. Laptukhov, V. A. Laptukhov, 06/2010, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 50, Number 3, pp. 375-382

83. A statistically significant signature of multi-decadal solar activity changes in atmospheric temperatures at three European stations, Vladimir Kossobokov, Jean-Louis Le Mouel and Vincent Courtillot, 05/2010, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 72, Issues 7-8, pp. 595-606

84. Why Hasn’t Earth Warmed as Much as Expected? Schwartz et al, 05/2010: read more here. “…The observed increase in global mean surface temperature (GMST) over the industrial era is less than 40% of that expected from observed increases in long-lived greenhouse gases…”

85. Solar activity and climatic variability in the time interval from 10 to 250 Ma ago, O. M. Raspopov et al., 04/2010, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 50, Number 2, pp. 141-152

86. Variations in tree ring stable isotope records from northern Finland and their possible connection to solar activity, Ogurtsov et al, 02/2010; read more here. “…carbon and oxygen stable isotope records reveal variations in the periods around 100, 11 and 3 years. A century scale connection between the 13C/12C record and solar activity is most evident.”

87. Variations in climate parameters at time intervals from hundreds to tens of millions of years in the past and its relation to solar activity , Raspopov et al, 02/2010; read more here. “… analysis of 200-year climatic oscillations in modern times and also data of other researchers referred to above suggest that these climatic oscillations can be attributed to solar forcing.”

88. Possible manifestation of nonlinear effects when solar activity affects climate changes, M. G. Ogurtsov et al., 02/2010, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 50, Number 1, pp. 15-20

89. Solar Minima, Earth’s rotation and Little Ice Ages in the past and in the future: The North Atlantic–European case, Nils-Axel Morner, 01/2010, Global and Planetary Change

90. Evolution of seasonal temperature disturbances and solar forcing in the US North Pacific, Vincent Courtillot, Jean-Louis Le Mouel, E. Blanter, M. Shnirman, 01/2010,
Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 72, Issue 1, pp. 83–89

91. A solar pattern in the longest temperature series from three stations in Europe, Jean-Louis Le Mouel, Vladimir Kossobokov, Vincent Courtillot, 01/2010, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 72, Issue 1, pp. 62-76

2009
92. Quasisecular cyclicity in the climate of the Earth’s Northern Hemisphere and its possible relation to solar activity variations, M. G. Ogurtsov et al., 12/2009, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 49, Number 7, pp. 1056-1062

93. Long-term solar activity as a controlling factor for global warming in the 20th century, V. A. Dergachev, O. M. Raspopov, 12/2009, Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, Volume 49, Number 8, pp. 1271-1274

94. Empirical analysis of the solar contribution to global mean air surface temperature change (PDF), Nicola Scafetta, 12/2009, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 71, Issues 17-18, pp. 1916-1923

95. Possible orographic and solar controls of Late Holocene centennial-scale moisture oscillations in the northeastern Tibetan Plateau (PDF), Cheng Zhao et al., 11/2009, Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 36, Number 21

96. Evidence for Obliquity Forcing of Glacial Termination II, R. N. Drysdale et al., 09/2009, Science, Volume 325, Issue 5947, pp. 1527-1531

97. Evidence for solar forcing in variability of temperatures and pressures in Europe, Jean-Louis Le Mouel et al., 08/2009, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 71, Issue 12, pp. 1309-1321

98. Amplifying the Pacific Climate System Response to a Small 11-Year Solar Cycle Forcing (PDF), Gerald A. Meehl et al., 08/2009, Science, Volume 325, Number 5944, pp. 1114-1118

99. Phase-coherent oscillatory modes in solar and geomagnetic activity and climate variability, Milan Palus, Dagmar Novotna, 06/2009, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 71, Issues 8–9, pp. 923–930

100. ARIMA representation for daily solar irradiance and surface air temperature time series (PDF), Olavi Karner, 06/2009, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 71, Issues 8-9, pp. 841-847

101. Tropical Water Vapor and Cloud Feedbacks in Climate Models: A Further Assessment Using Coupled Simulations, Sun et al, 03/2009; read more here. “…underestimating the negative feedback from cloud albedo and overestimating the positive feedback from the greenhouse effect of water vapor over the tropical Pacific during ENSO is a prevalent problem of climate models.“

102. ACRIM-gap and TSI trend issue resolved using a surface magnetic flux TSI proxy model (PDF), Nicola Scafetta, Richard C. Willson, 03/2009, Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 36, Number 5

103. Supporting material document for: ACRIM-gap and TSI trend issue resolved using a surface magnetic flux TSI proxy model, Nicola Scafetta, Richard C. Willson, Supplement, 2009 (PDF)

104. Episodes of relative global warming (PDF), C. de Jager, S. Duhau, 02/2009, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 71, Issue 2, pp. 194-198

105. Understanding Solar Behaviour and its Influence on Climate, Timo Niroma, 01/2009, Energy & Environment, Volume 20, Numbers 1-2, pp. 145-159

106. The Sun’s Role in Regulating the Earth’s Climate Dynamics, Richard Mackey, 01/2009, Energy & Environment, Volume 20, Numbers 1-2, pp. 25-73

107. Sun-Climate Linkage Now Confirmed (PDF), Adriano Mazzarella, 01/2009, Energy & Environment, Volume 20, Numbers 1-2, pp. 123-130

108. Solar Cycle 24: Expectations and Implications (PDF), David C. Archibald, 01/2009, Energy & Environment, Volume 20, Number 1-2, pp. 1-10

109. Earth’s Radiative Equilibrium in the Solar Irradiance (PDF), Martin Hertzberg, 01/2009, Energy & Environment, Volume 20, Numbers 1-2, pp. 85-95

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110. Using the oceans as a calorimeter to quantify the solar radiative forcing (PDF), Nir J. Shaviv, 11/2008, Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 113, Issue A11

111. Solar Forcing of the Stream Flow of a Continental Scale South American River (PDF), Pablo J. D. Mauas et. al., 10/2008, Physical Review Letters, Volume 101, Issue 16

112. Non-linear alignment of El Nino to the 11-yr solar cycle, Warren B. White, Zhengyu Liu, 10/2008, Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 35, Number 19

113. A History of Solar Activity over Millennia, Ilya G. Usoskin, 10/2008; read more here. “…New paper: Solar activity at end of 20th century was the highest in 1200 years.”

114. On the relationship between global, hemispheric and latitudinal averaged air surface temperature (GISS time series) and solar activity, Souza Echer et al, 10/2008; read more here.

115. Solar activity and its influence on climate, C. de Jager, 09/2008 (PDF) (Netherlands Journal of Geosciences, Volume 87, Issue 3, pp. 207–213

116. Solar Forcing of Changes in Atmospheric Circulation, Earth’s Rotation and Climate (PDF), Adriano Mazzarella, 08/2008, The Open Atmospheric Science Journal, Volume 2, Issue 1, pp. 181-184

117. Evidence for a solar signature in 20th-century temperature data from the USA and Europe (PDF), Jean-Louis Le Mouel et al., 07/2008, Comptes Rendus Geosciences, Volume 340, Issue 7, pp. 421-430

118. Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia, Mann et al, 2008; “…The reconstructed amplitude of change over past centuries is greater than hitherto reported, with somewhat greater Medieval warmth in the Northern Hemisphere, albeit still not reaching recent levels.” (Thanks for the correction, MHB).

119. Impact of variations in solar activity on hydrological decadal patterns in northern Italy, D. Zanchettin et al., 06/2008, Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 113, Issue D12

120. The influence of the de Vries (not, vert, similar 200-year) solar cycle on climate variations: Results from the Central Asian Mountains and their global link (PDF), O. M. Raspopov et al., 03/2008, Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, Volume 259, Issue 1, pp. 6-16

121. Sun-Climate Complexity Linking (PDF), Bruce J. West, P. Grigolini, 02/2008, Physical Review Letters, Volume 100, Issue 8

122. Temperature variations at Lake Qinghai on decadal scales and the possible relation to solar activities, Hai Xu, Xiaoyan Liu, Zhaohua Hou, 01/2008, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, Volume 70, Issue 1, pp. 138-144

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Data, confirmation, and science, all debunked by a picture of a guy in a kayak and a few fools who slag me off and have jolly banter and discuss no science, no data, no facts.

The end of rational debate is nigh

 

Must mean the sky will fall, the reading from the thermometer outside my window says -23, also not proof of anything.

 

If by broke you mean made me go skiing and skating, then yes you did, except I do it every winter

Apparently going outside to enjoy life is a bad thing to those who spend every day on the internet Especially you Tobes. Such knowledge of life from your chair.

 

LAST DECEMBER'S FLOOD.
LAST DECEMBER'S FLOOD. DISBURSING THE RELIEF FUND. During tha present week payments have been made at the Hull Guildhall out the fund which the Lord Mayor (Councillor F. raised for the sufferers in the Wincolrnlee district the flood last December. The
24 June 1922 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England



DECEMBER STORMS AND FLOODS.
DECEMBER STORMS AND FLOODS. December is the stormiest month of the year, and the present month has been unusually changeable. The extended observations now made enable us to account in some degree for the gloom and rain of the season. It was reported
30 December 1876 - Reading Mercury - Reading, Berkshire, England


DAILY HAIL. Thursday, December 27. Floods Knee Deep in the West View Area A CHRISTMAS TASTE OF ALL THE ELEMENTS
DAILY HAIL. Thursday, December 27. Floods Knee Deep in the West View Area A CHRISTMAS TASTE OF ALL THE ELEMENTS OLOODS, fires, frost, a gale, and a sunshine record, made Christmas in the Hartlepools an out-of-theordinary festival. Christmas Eve rain whose
27 December 1951 - Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail - Hartlepool, Durham, Engla



Mixing science and history, with conspiracy theory, epic fail.

There are MUCH more of these reports, millions from the US and UK alone. I posted them, and you made the same superstitious claim again, while ignoring 3 hundred years of history.

#amnesia
#superstition

 

Have you got absolutely NO sense of humour?

 

Well if you throw your lot in with the others, it's hard to tell the difference between a joke and utter stupidity, as the others are quite serious when they say floods and daffodils are proof of CAGW

\But point taken

IPCC confidence in those claims, 7%. The nuts "believe" even when the "science" is 7% confident, science controlled by 'politicians who want to show it's real'.

 

Yet more cherry picking of data. Why focus on 2010?

Why not the more recent 2011?

http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/press-release/465179

2011 – An exceptionally warm year in Northern Finland
9.1.2012 7:37

The year 2011 was unusually warm in Southern and Central Finland and exceptionally warm in Northern Finland. From March until the end of the year, or for ten consecutive months, the mean temperatures in Finland exceeded the long-term averages.

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The statistics compiled by the Finnish Meteorological Institute show that the mean temperature for the whole of Finland was 1.9° C above the long-term average. An equally high annual mean temperature was measured last in 1989. A warmer year has been measured only once: in 1938. The annual mean temperature ranged from a little over +6° C on the south and southwest coast to a little less than +1° C in Northern Lapland. The greatest difference from the average temperature was recorded in Lapland, where the annual mean temperature was 2–3° C higher than normally.

Or 2014?

http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/press-release/42503751

2014 was Finland's second warmest year on record
7.1.2015 12:31

According to preliminary calculations, the average temperature for the whole country was around 0.15 °C lower than for 1938, the warmest year recorded. The list of the five warmest years also includes 1989, 2011 and 2000.

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According to the statistics of the Finnish Meteorological Institute, the year was in regional terms the warmest ever in many areas throughout the region stretching from Satakunta to the western part of North Ostrobothnia and North Savo. Elsewhere the year was unusually or even exceptionally warm. Overall, 2014 was around 1.6 °C warmer than the long-term average for the period 1981-2010.

In terms of individual months, only January and June were colder than normal on the countrywide scale. The most significant periods of warmth were February and March, the hot weather in July and at the start of August, and the first half of December.

The year's highest temperature, 32.8 °C, was recorded in Pori railway station on August 4, and the lowest temperature, -40.7 °C, was recorded at Kevojärvi Lake in Utsjoki on January 20. In some parts of the country 50 days of hot summer weather (temperatures exceeding 25 °C) were recorded between May and August, which is 14 days more than average.

Or the winter of 2015?

http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/press-release/124040439

Press release archive: 2015
Warm temperature records broken in November
8.12.2015 8:02

An exceptionally mild November delayed the beginning of winter in many areas.

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According to the statistics of the Finnish Meteorological Institute, November was exceptionally warm in a large part of Finland, excluding mainly the area reaching from North Karelia to Lapland. At several observation stations in the southern and western parts of the country, the month was even record mild. Compared with normal, the temperature deviation in November was between just under three degrees in the Åland Islands and about five degrees in the Ostrobothnian provinces and Western Lapland. A corresponding or milder November was last experienced in most parts of the country in 2005 and in Lapland in 2011.

The month started very warm especially in the southern and western parts of the country. The highest temperature in November in the observation history in Finland, 14.3°C, was measured in Kemiönsaari on the third day of the month. A burst of cold air ended the exceptionally mild weather around 20 November. In that connection, the month's lowest temperature, -27,5°C, was measured in Näkkälä in Enontekiö on 23 November, and the temperatures fell to around 10 degrees below zero even in the southern part of the country. At the end of the month, the weather became milder again, and the temperature rose to nearly 10°C in some areas in the western part of the country.

You're welcome

 

My post was about NASA GISS having the temp for a whole country wrong in 2010 which adds to their 120 year time series that you claim is accurate.

So explain why NASA for all of Finland wrong for 2010. Why change the subject.? Again avoiding something and just offering something else.

If I claim the 120 year record is bogus, then offer proof, offering other stuff non related does not do.
Care to actually answer my post like

 

Your post included a large piece and a link fro the Finland Meteorological Institute about the temperature in Finland in 2010

Do you not read what you post?

I've come back with 3 links from the same source about more recent years.

Feel free to comment.

 

I clearly showed that NASA has all of Finland far warmer than it actually was, with temp measurements from the Finnish met, that prove GISS is wrong and was off by 8.5 degrees for Northern Finland alone.

You wish to avoid this yes? It throws doubt on that chart from NASA you keep posting and I keep debunking.

Maybe also state why you believe both the pause did not happen and it did happen at the same time. Cos you "believe the scientists", who between them claim both.

 

I'll be going iceskating in about 10 mins, does that mean you broke me again?

 

Then get a grip. I'm a ****ing Scouser

 

Fair shout mate