Off Topic Dark Matter and other Astronomy information.

Of course someone will ignore all of that and try use some pseudo argument to make a non existent point

 

was reported at the Glasgow Liberal Association night that Mr. will address the Glasgow Liberals ia December. The disastrous floods
was reported at the Glasgow Liberal Association night that Mr. will address the Glasgow Liberals ia December. The disastrous floods and heavy rains the past week have effectually put a stop agricultural
31 October 1882 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

A State of the National Debt, provided or unprovided for by parliament, as it flood December 31. 1740 and December 31. 1741, and an account of what was contracted and paid off in that time.
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01 August 1742 - The Scots Magazine - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

These are few of many reports and this is only the UK, if I search globally there will be TENS OF THOUSANDS of reports of this "unheard of" december weather.


Quick search of December floods for a US site of old papers. You guys

1,269,897 Match for December Floods

Newspaper Location Matches
Pennsylvania 176,748
California 107,910
Texas 95,598
Kansas 83,164
Illinois 77,743
Indiana 63,384
New York 61,584
Ohio 60,780
North Carolina 50,718
Missouri 40,691
Oregon 34,387
Wisconsin 27,082
Canada 22,530
Utah 22,524
Iowa 21,141
Michigan 20,462
Maryland 19,799
Louisiana 19,033
Nebraska 16,668
Kentucky 14,725
Arizona 14,098
District of Columbia 13,998
Australia 13,698
England 13,188
Connecticut 12,983
South Carolina 12,873
Tennessee 12,038
Massachusetts 11,639
Montana 11,358
Virginia 11,143
New Mexico 10,749
Minnesota 10,725
Arkansas 9,305
Oklahoma 9,001
South Dakota 8,167
West Virginia 6,409
Georgia 6,079
Colorado 4,519
Idaho 4,277
Washington 3,726
New Hampshire 3,533
Alaska 3,489
Alabama 3,438
Florida 3,344
North Dakota 3,241
Vermont 3,150
Hawaii 2,516
Mississippi 2,271
Rhode Island 1,855
New Jersey 1,851
Maine 1,602
Nevada 1,321
Ireland 1,121
Northern Ireland 413
Panama 65
Wyoming 37
Delaware 6

#Daffodils

 

2,765,176 Matches for Warm December

Newspaper Location Matches
Pennsylvania 397,695
Kansas 194,689
Illinois 192,331
California 171,032
Texas 170,465
Indiana 154,047
New York 144,883
Ohio 138,346
North Carolina 137,572
Missouri 89,999
Canada 64,253
Oregon 60,129
Wisconsin 59,008
Michigan 58,511
Utah 53,370
Iowa 52,190
Maryland 49,418
Nebraska 36,771
Louisiana 35,721
District of Columbia 34,912
Kentucky 33,897
South Carolina 32,632
Tennessee 27,013
Virginia 25,541
England 25,300
Massachusetts 25,243
Montana 25,220
Minnesota 24,514
Arizona 22,250
Connecticut 20,482
New Mexico 19,188
Georgia 17,529
Oklahoma 16,305
Arkansas 15,712
South Dakota 15,610
West Virginia 13,346
Australia 12,810
New Hampshire 10,433
Idaho 8,612
Colorado 8,142
Alaska 7,944
Washington 7,487
Vermont 7,383
Florida 7,328
North Dakota 6,969
Alabama 6,670
New Jersey 4,950
Rhode Island 4,858
Hawaii 4,807
Maine 3,555
Mississippi 2,863
Ireland 2,256
Nevada 2,163
Northern Ireland 707
Wyoming 86
Delaware 21
Panama

#doubledaffodils

 

Imagine we had the modern media in those times, how many reports would there be? trillions? Then all this current weather would be... just weather.

#shortmemories
#cycles
#stupidsupersticioushysteria

 

@donga kloppo
'We were promised flood defences but they never came' - mum spends last four weeks trying to save her home from rising flood waters
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...r-home-from-rising-flood-waters-34323557.html

same in Ireland.

The damage is great for the climate fraud cause though. The Greenies are going batshit mental, they want taxes and regulation to fix this! If you even suggest adaption over taxes and regulation, they throw eggs at you

Bjorn Lomborg believes in global warming, but disagrees on how to deal with it, attacked physically and academically, Dr Lomborg's crime is wanting to deal with it by adaption as it is far more cost effective and will actually save lives

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Academic censorship is alive and well in the the world today. When government controls science, it will always be that way, so forgive me for not openly trusting NASA, the Met or politicians when they talk #globalwarming

 

40% renewables

 

Doesn't believe the NASA/Government/Scientists.

But posts stuff from the media, when did you become a media sheeple

 

You used to copy and paste nonsense, now it looks like you're literally copy and pasting random strings of characters

 

I look on this argument about man-made/natural as the difference between colds and flu. Pretty academic, in some ways, as a bad cold and its after-effects such as chest, sinus and throat infections and respiratory complications thereof can kill you just as much as a mild flu. Whether you believe climate change is man-made or sun-made, point is the planet is warming and throwing ever more CO2 in the atmosphere is like throwing petrol on a fire.

 

So lets break down your argument. You claim a tornado or hurricane cant remember, floods and a warm december and stormy december, and a warm day at heathrow are proof of CAGW.

I posted old news articles (that you need to pay to see the full article) that prove all of this was common as it is today, over a century ago, and has been happening perdiodically since we have been reporting.

I also have reasonably argued that this happens all over the world and often it is worse than today's weather, El Nino confirmed decline since 98.

You come back with blah, blah blah whilst ignoring facts and the salient points.

Great argument.

One of the only scientific papers you posted on here actually refuted the point you were making Dr Judith Curry was a co author, I suggest you check out her site if you are going to use her work as a source http://judithcurry.com/
Stick to making up fiction from stats, you are little use for anything else

 

What you said about pertrol ona fire is not only scary that someone can claim that but the most ludicrous claim ever.

The earth has never had such low CO2.

If 500ppm is throwing petrol on a fire, what is 6000ppm or 4000ppmn? Both levels in earth's history where life thrived and there was no ice and no deserts

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No relation to eachother whatsoever, CO2 and Temp, other than rising temp means more CO2 not the other way around for the Vostock Ice cores, temp riuses first, 800 years later CO2 also rises. The reverse of claims

Furthermore, what do you think the earth does between glacial periods? It warms up, looking up some O18 ice core records for Greenland will clear it up.

Important factors.
Lindzen and Choi 2009 paper for the IPCC (which was left out of the report) proved that there is no CAGW, which requires more and more heat to be trapped, satellites detected this is not true, in fact observations showed exactly the opposite of CAGWE claims. Stop reading the guardian mate.

Also, CO2 doesn't absorb almost ALL of the IR radiation spectrum, WATER does.
Also, CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, we contribute about 3% to 5% of that Co2, so 5% of 0.04% we contribute.
CO2's warming effect is logarithmic, meaning every time you double it the warming is less and less until nothing. The biggest increase from doubling CO2 is from 10 to 20ppm, circa NASA 1971, where they stated staturation was already under way and there never could be a tipping point. The Theory comes from pure hypothesis about Venus originally

Sunspot and earth temp 400 years of excellent correlation
CO2 and Temp 28 years of piss poor correlation



PJ liked your post because you are using the same non scientific argument he uses, and ttherefor any claims of petrol on fire are meaningless

Seriously, if you have not read even the IPCC reports, then how do you even know what they are claiming, dont go down the same road as these other ******s.

 

Talking to Astro and the others is like talking to children who dont want to go to bed no matter how much you tell them they will be tired in the morning, anyone that follows their examples are an insult to human intelligence

 

Only someone with an agenda, an environmentalist mentalist or a complete idiot would call CO2 bad.

And Irony, all the times I said Oil conmpanies were evil and was laughed at, now the climatards on here are happy to call Oil evil and behind Climate change denial

I really must stop reading the posts of mouth breathing morons on this topic. People who dont even do basic reading and spout off, make me ****ing laugh

 

Oh and Donga, if you botherd to read up on this, half of the global temp rises come from cooling the past. Not measured warming

How rewriting the historical record is making it warmer is beyond me, witchcraft

 

Petrol on fire, Corn yield in the US, to blame for keeping billions alive all over the world, since we started pumping out CO2 durng the post war boom. Yes not all is down to CO2 but this correlation is better than the CO2 Temp one. More CO2, more Corn, until the US in the 2000s set aside 30% of corn for biofuels, which killed 10s of thousands globally from malnutrition and starvation as prices blew up drastically, this also had an effect on the stability of the middle east, grain prices shot up too. Lack of food is one thing that gets the masses angry for sure

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Petrol on fire, Africa is becoming green again in arid regions like the Sahara below, Africa becoming food prod stable.. bad news.
Sat image of the Sahara, greened up a LOT, thanks to drought resistent plants, more CO2, plants need less water, green savannahs returning, species of tree returning, all that means more rain as trees and plants create clouds, eventually the sand becomes sandy soil. Bad?..

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Dismayed at the lack of even trying to be objective and actually see what's actually happening in the world.

Astro Tobes and co totally believe what they do because the media and politicians are saying it. They have no idea about the science, the records or anythng else, once the Guardian and Cameron, Obama and Co blather, that's good enough for them. The folly of fools

 

Of course no one will touch the benefits or the fact that CO2 was 10 times higher than now when the world had millions more species and was green from pole to pole, and yet it never burned up. In fact it froze several times since, all that CO2, no tipping point?

Scientific fact for 800.000 years CO2 rises followed temperature by 800 year lag

What next, blame the dinosaurs extinction on CO2? Watch, I bet someone claims that

 

Too late CO2 killed Dinosaurs, who evolved in the high CO2.. seems legit. FFS So rape car theft war cooking earth and now dinosaur extinctions, were caused by CO2
http://www.dinosaurfact.net/extinction/carbondioxide.php

 

No you dolt. You live in Finland, you're a climate change denier, you were waffling on about energy prices in your homeland and I posted a piece by a Finnish organisation that stated that the temperature in the land in which you reside has risen dramatically and at twice the rate of the global increase.

I'd have thought that this might concern a resident and therefore chose to inform you of the #facts.

I note you had no come back on the challenge I made to your both nonsensical and made up 'facts' that you retorted with.

 

The funny part (well, one of them) is that he thinks the CO2 is not man made but the clouds above his house are man made

 

Hahaha, they're not vapour trials it's cloud seeding

In ****ing Finland