Living darn south I don't know the details of the application. You seem to suggest that the application was made by council. If that was the case and they don't have the means to undertake the development this is not a valid planning grounds to refuse it. They could approve it and find interested partners to implement the development.
Local BBC tonight 10.30 news. 'The application was thrown out by the Councillors' They are to 'look at it again in the New Year'
Thanks for your reply but it doesn't answer the point I raised. You suggest the Council does't have the resources to implement the scheme which indicates they submitted the application. Finance is not a reason for refusal. If they don't have the resources they could have withdrawn the application. If as Brady says they will resubmit it they must know the areas of refusal to address to be successful the next time an application is submitted?
I've just read the article from the HDM. Once planning committee member went to the loo during the debate and missed the site visit, also said he didn't get notice due to it being 'flung into his garden'. Another said the city centre isn't the right place for the venue, and also didn't like the design. Also reported that a number of committee members didn't bother attending the vote. It is a real shame that the elected officials in the city don't value capital investment in a modern city, see the bigger picture and use personal views when voting rather than the facts and merits. I didn't see any representative say they had a number of complaints or details any opposition to it. Yes the venue isn't as large as Leeds or Sheffield but as much as we would like to think we are big time there is just not the demand for a 10-12,000 multi purpose arena. I would hope the design allows for some future expansion but I doubt it. It is a shame the whole process has been dealt with in such a ad-hoc manor which ultimately only cost the tax payers of the city more!
PLANS to build a £36m concert and conference venue that would have created 500 jobs have been unexpectedly turned down. One Labour councillor – whose vote could have led to the scheme being approved – was disqualified from voting because he went to the toilet in the middle of a debate and had not attended a compulsory site visit. Cllr Mike Thompson said he did not receive advance notice of the site visit from council officials because the documents were flung over his garden fence. The council-funded venture would have been the jewel in the crown of Hull's City of Culture legacy. Experts say the 3,500 capacity venue would attract 240,000 visitors a year and bring an estimated £13.8m of spending to the city, providing a much-needed boost to city centre retailers, bars and restaurant owners. The development was scheduled to open in early 2018. However, the plans were rejected by Hull City Council's planning committee on TUesday after the majority of councillors present voiced objections. Not all councillors who are members of the planning committee attended the vote. Conservative councillor John Fareham voted against the proposals because of concerns about its location and "lacklustre" design. He said: "Personally, I don't like it. It is a lacklustre building with an inevitable nod to The Deep and an inevitable nod to a 1970s university. "I do support plans to build a conference centre, but I must oppose it being built in this place." The council-funded venture is earmarked for a largely derelict site in the city centre between Myton Street and Princes Quay. The proposal included plans to refurbish the existing multistorey car park in Osborne Street and install a new taxi rank to ferry visitors across the city. Liberal Democrat councillor Terry Keal also objected to the plans based on the chosen location for the concert and conference centre. He said: "I am all for a venue that will attract more people to the city, but I do believe it should be located away from the city centre." Planning committee chair Cllr Sean Chaytor defended the plans and said there was no valid objection to the proposed site as the "bombed-out car park" had no historical or cultural value. He said: "This site is next to a 1980s shopping centre and a Staples store please log in to view this image . If this site is of historical interest then I am a Dutchman. "It is in the perfect location and this scheme provides all of the major facilities which this city has been crying out for." Hull City Council has confirmed that its planning application please log in to view this image for the venue will be resubmitted in the new year. Councillor Stephen Brady, leader of the council, said he was "incredibly disappointed" with the committee's decision. He said: "The plans for the Hull Venue have received considerable public support, are hugely important for the development of the city and will put us on the map as a location for major events, conferences and music concerts. "The development is absolutely essential to making Hull a top visitor destination and is an integral component of our legacy planning following on from our year as UK City of Culture in 2017. "While we will resubmit the planning application early in the new year, today's decision will, at the very least, mean a delay in commencing the development."
You have to wonder how many chances Hull is going to get to turn itself around. Attitudes need changing all over the city.
You mean they never asked the 'Right, who needs the loo before we start' question before the meeting started ? Prostate-gate
Assuming finance (grants/sponsorship etc) is available than hopefully its being considered on capacity, location and design. Capacity is OK, similar to Brid Spa and personally I hate gigs any bigger than Brid Spa. Location again is OK, should be in or near the city centre and better than Ice Arena which was always badly located. Design is lacklustre, should be a bit more iconic. Hoping improved plans get submitted and passed but little confidence in our narrow minded councillors understanding of the one off opportunity we have to build on the CoC legacy.
What sort of ****ing moron thinks it shouldnt be in the city centre? Hull city centre is largely ****e with vast swathes that could be renovated and as such it is a ghost town. Just walk around it midweek at 6pm and you feel like you're in a post apocalyptic wasteland - there is no fooker around! A venue such as this at least gives a reason for people to be in the city centre. Just look 60 miles across the M62 for inspiration, 5 years ago the area around the Merrion Centre in Leeds was an absolute dive and nobody - I mean nobody - ever went there cos there was no reason to. Now the arena has been built it's the go-to area of town with new bars and restaurants opening seemingly every week. I was out there last night as it happens, the transformation is incredible. And all because of the arena. They should just bus the councillors over there to see the impact a city centre arena has had, it's demonstrable. And someone should ask Cllr Keal where it should be built - Sutton Fields? Yeah that's get the tourists into Hull wont it? **** me sideways....
If the intial decision was made in Council, then it would seem undemocratic if the committee binned it because they didn't like it rather than for planning reasons. I suspect HDM spin, and a more mundane reason like a Grade Il listing.
It was the Planning Committee, rather than Councilors, who voted to reject it. I just heard one of those who rejected it explaining his reasons, he basically said the design was **** and there was a major access issue until the Castle Street works had been completed and building on that site ahead of the access being sorted made it an ill-thought out proposal. I think the city desperately needs a decent concert/conference facility, but I have some sympathy with the reasons it was rejected. The building looks like it was designed on an Etch-A-Sketch and the current plans include a lot of demolition that I'm not sure is entirely necessary. Also, though it's not actually a planning issue, £36m for such a small venue seems like terrible value for money. Hopefully they'll go back with something better, though I wouldn't put money on it.
His reasons are very understandable. My rant a few posts back wasnt against them rejecting this proposal, which looks lazy to me. My rant was against the fool who thinks it shouldnt be in the city centre.
I know, but there are several letters on the planning portal from Heritage England expressing concern at the works to the Grade ll building. The most recent letter response was this week. Generally speaking, a planning committee usually needs robust planning reasons for rejecting an application .
I wouldnt put money on it either. Until theres a large clear out in this council things will always procede at a snails pace We're 380 days away from COC and the cities a mess. Footbridge behind schedule Radisson stalled Ferens not open until into the year I wouldnt advise people to come till June at the earliest they might walk into a buiding site which will come has no surprise to me
There wont a 'clear-out'. The people of Hull keep voting for people who are community champions rather than councillors, and often rather stupid ones at that. Democracy in action.
