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    Another #conspiracy using scientific fact to disprove this nonsense of man made global warming

    CO2's logarithmic effect. NASA showed us this in 1971 and it's been known for a long time. Lindzen and Choi confirm it in 2009
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    Look at the extra warming CO2 causes when doubled from 300 to 600 ppm. Virtually nothing.
    #saturation

    CO2 has never ever correlated with temperature rises apart from extremely loosely for just over 20 years, out of our whole record <doh>

    Global temp is doing now what Hansen at NASA said would happen in his Scenario C - No Emissions Scenario ;)
     
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    Launch campaign begins for Europe’s trailblazing gravity probe
    Posted on October 12, 2015 by Stephen Clark

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    ESA’s LISA Pathfinder spacecraft is seen inside IABG’s test center near Munich on Aug. 31. Credit: ESA–P. Sebirot, 2015

    A compact European space probe, already fitted with a propulsive boost stage to send it a million miles from Earth, has arrived at its French Guiana launch base for liftoff in early December aboard a solid-fueled Vega rocket.

    The craft’s mission is experimental, aimed at proving out the technical apparatus required to detect gravitational waves, ripples in the fabric of spacetime predicted by Albert Einstein’s theory of general relativity.

    Known as LISA Pathfinder, the mission has cost the European Space Agency about 430 million euros ($490 million), but it is just the first step in a long-term program to study the “invisible universe” by observing unseen gravity waves created from the motion of massive objects like black holes.

    “This is an extremely challenging mission that will pave the way for future space-based projects to observe gravitational waves, opening a new window to explore the cosmos,” said Paul McNamara, ESA’s LISA Pathfinder project scientist.

    Lasers buried inside the LISA Pathfinder spacecraft will measure the motion of two gold-platinum alloy cubes 46 millimeters (1.8 inches) on a side. Free-floating inside vacuum enclosures, the motion of the cubes will be measured to one thousandth of one millionth of a millimeter.

    Micro-thrusters mounted outside the probe, coupled with specialized control software, will carefully regulate the movement of the spacecraft to keep the gold-platinum test masses floating inside their housings. The goal of the spacecraft is to keep the test cubes floating in an electrostatic field free from outside influence, demonstrating the masses can remain in near-perfect free-fall.

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    Artist’s concept of LISA Pathfinder and its expendable propulsion module after launch. Credit: Airbus Defense and Space

    Such an achievement is vital to an ambitious multi-spacecraft gravity wave observatory planned for launch by ESA in the 2030s. Instead of having two free-floating 38 centimeters (15 inches) apart, the future mission will attempt to measure the exact distances between test masses up to millions of kilometers apart.

    “Gravitational waves are an entirely fresh and different way to study the universe, providing an important complement to the well-established approach of astronomy, based on observing the light emitted by celestial bodies,” McNamara said in a statement.

    The spacecraft flew inside an Antonov An-124 cargo plane from London Stansted Airport, near LISA Pathfinder’s factory at Airbus Defense and Space, the mission’s prime industrial contractor, to the European-run spaceport in Kourou, French Guiana, on Oct. 8.

    After landing at the airport in French Guiana’s capital city, Cayenne, the spacecraft was trucked to the Guiana Space Center to begin final preflight processing.

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    The Antonov An-124 transport aircraft carrying LISA Pathfinder is seen at Cayenne’s Félix Eboué Airport. Credit: ESA

    The spacecraft came from Europe to South America in launch configuration, according to Cesar Garcia Marirrodriga, ESA’s project manager.

    Final checks on the probe will be completed in the coming weeks, followed by fueling of the craft’s purpose-built propulsion module. Technicians will also install the flight clamp band connecting LISA Pathfinder’s propulsion and science modules, Marirrodriga told Spaceflight Now via email.

    Then the 1,910-kilogram (4,210-pound) spacecraft will be hoisted atop the four-stage Vega booster inside its payload shroud in November.

    Liftoff is set for Dec. 2 at 0415 GMT (11:15 p.m. EST on Dec. 1) aboard the sixth flight of Europe’s new lightweight Vega launcher.

    Assembly of the Vega booster began in late September with the mounting of the rocket’s first stage P80 solid rocket motor at its launch pad in French Guiana.

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    The first stage P80 motor for the Vega rocket is moved to the launch pad for the LISA Pathfinder mission. Credit: ESA/CNES/Arianespace – Photo Optique Video du CSG – P. Baudon

    The Vega’s fourth stage kick engine will put LISA Pathfinder into an an elliptical orbit around Earth, then the craft’s on-board propulsion module will fire six times to boost its altitude higher over a two-week orbit-raising phase. The probe will eventually pick up the speed necessary escape orbit and fly to the L1 Lagrange point, a gravitationally stable spot about 1.5 million kilometers (930,000 miles) on the sun’s side of the Earth.

    The spacecraft will jettison its disposable propulsion module after it is on course for its operating post at L1.

    LISA Pathfinder will enter a looping orbit around the L1 Lagrange point around the beginning of February, followed by a six-month prime operational mission phase.

    “The extreme precision of measurements and control required in this domain pose a great technical challenge,” Marirrodriga said in a statement. “In fact, everything was a challenge in this brand-new class of missions: from the innovative instrumentation, to the new modelling of self-gravitation within the spacecraft, and the very complex integration tests of the spacecraft.

    “The industrial and scientific teams that undertook these daunting tasks have done an extraordinary job, and now the mission is ready for launch,” he said.
     
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    ESA's Rosetta mission was a brilliant success. Hope for some good resuts from this mission.
     
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    Yeah, but it's just a waste of money as general relativity is bollocks, apparently. <whistle>
     
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    That is something I never said, all space missions can bring back valuable data, my issue is that if something they find may put doubt on Relativity, that might well be played down.

    As with Rosetta, they really played down the fact that their theories were arse about face on comets. The lander bounced three times because it was far FAR more dense than thought, cos it was rock not snow and dust.

    That is my issue, not the mission, the interpretation of data and the playing down of findings that do not fit theories.
     
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    Another little bit of hidden "climate" history.

    When the Soviet Union stopped paying people in fuel depending on how cold it was at the weather stations in Siberia, the stations closed down and all those siberia measurements ceased. Look at what immediately happened global temperaure

    You got fuel or money for fuel depending on how cold it was, so there was much incentive to say it was VERY cold <laugh>
    When the arse fell out of the soviet union almost 11000 out of 16000 temperature gathering stations were closed.
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    They magically shot up by merely losing cold measurements, now there are less than 2000 and many of htem are estimated anyway.
    They have taken greenland out too, why, another cold data set removed for the Paris fraud summit
    They know this well, #fraud
     
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    Greenland and Siberia raw data v Adjusted data as of Feb 2015, it has been readjusted since as of October 2015, cooking data twice a year now.

    Greenland, actual mesurement vs Adjusted data
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    Siberia. Actual measurements vs Adjusted data
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    every single piece of data is getting colder in the past and warmer in future from adjustment after adjustment

    ffs<doh> You have to be a complete tool to not see what is going on
     
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    The Greenland fraud is important as it is very responsive to change
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    Adjusted data makes 1883 abouts, nearly a full degree colder.and cools all the folowing years right up to 1980, warms up the data thereafter.

    Now they have just stopped adding Greenland as part of their GISS analyses of the global average temperature. Antartica too is also estimated. The Andes mountains are estimated. Most of Africa is estimated, most of Russia. A lot of the US. South America, India.

    The data for GISS temepratures are not fit for purpose and they know this, satellite data was proudly called the best way to measure temperature by NASA, until it diverged from warming surface estimations, again cold or not warming data.. irrelevant. 3 ot of 5 important primary data sets show no CAGW, #sciencenotconsensus
     
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    Once you move away from the hotplate that is the surface, to actually measure the temperature of the actual "atmosphere" where you actually MUST measure global warming (as well as ocean temps which are 0.03c\decade), balloons are good.

    NOAA balloon data. Radiosonde.
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    No global warming in the US and Obama is calling it a bigger threat than IS, than nulcear proliferation, than cancer. <doh> Curing cancer, all those billions of $, how many lives would that save <whistle> Fact, they (biotech) create more diseases than they cure.
     
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    As Carbon dioxide increases I bet it has more killing every one of us on the planet effect though.
     
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    when you exhale, you have 40.000ppm of CO2 in your lungs. what are you talking about, the room you are in right now has about 1000ppm/ The ISS space station has about 4000ppm I think, submarines more. CO2 does not cause Asthma either in case you believe that too
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    Also to put into context the silliness of what you are saying, look at CO2 when life was more abundant and diverse than it is today, by far.
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    Ye mad thing <laugh> Life flourishes the higher CO2 is, because plant life flourishes all that depend on plant life also increases exponentially. Insects animals ect, biodiversity explodes.

    We are not even at climate optimum yet, that is when there is no ice at all bar a bit in antarctica possibly, the planet's geological and climate cycles don't care if we built cities near the ocean or on pacific atolls, it really doesn't and if you think summits and carbon taxes can make planet change it's mind, or we can force it to with taxes, then it shows that infact progressives are indeed mentally ill
     
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    I was just being flippant tbh. But you must agree that at some point too much in the atmosphere would kill us all. I've no idea of the exact amount but I suspect you can enlighten me.
     
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    CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere. Our human emissions are approx 3% (estimated we have no idea if it is far less but certainly cant be far more given natural sources) of that .04% is us, 3% of 0.04% of the atmosphere.

    If we burned every bit of oil and coal we had this year, it would not be enough to triple total CO2 and would amount to maybe over the short term 0.09 of the atmpsphere, as half of all CO2 we create is destroyed immediately at surface level by nature.

    Thats if we burn everything in the next twelve months.

    Tripling CO2 to 1200ppm would have no health effects on humans cos your flippin home has CO2 at near that. Anywhere between 700ppm and over 1000ppm depending on your ventillation.

    But the deserts would turn green with 1200ppm CO2. That would be reclaiming immense tracts of land and Africa would be green for the most part, it is already happening. parts of deserts are turning back into green savannahs. CO2 would only give many developing nations better agriculture, how many lives would that save in Africa?

    CO2 below 200 would kill us all with starvation
     
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    <laugh> Oh sweet ****ing Jesus, everything he said about the "climate science", standing in front of the UN is a wrong <laugh> Proven by the very data the IPCC has.
     
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    ALIEN LIFE & EXOPLANETS
    New Kepler Mission Cranking Out Exoplanet Finds

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    Artist’s impression of WD 1145+017 (white dwarf star, at left) and a planet shedding nearby (center). This is one planetary find by the K2 mission.
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    The Kepler planet-hunting spacecraft is “working really well” despite changing its techniques due to mechanical problems, the lead author of a new study says.

    Under a new mission called “K2″, Kepler has found 234 planetary candidates in the first year of searching. That is beyond the expectations of the community, since Kepler cannot point as precisely as it used to due to a reaction wheel (stabilization) problem.

    NEWS: Kepler Returns! Exoplanet Mission Makes New Discoveries

    “The main reason we wrote this paper is that there are way too many planets for us to look at by ourselves,” Harvard University’s Andrew Vanderburg wrote Discovery News in an e-mail. “We need help from other astronomers to learn all we can about these exciting new planets. So we hope that our paper serves as an invitation to others to start taking a look.”

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    Infographic showing how the K2 mission works.
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    Until 2013, Kepler stayed pointed at a spot in the Cygnus constellation, looking for planets passing in front of its stars. That mission appeared to end for good, however, when two of the four reaction wheels on Kepler failed, likely due to age.

    NEWS: Three ‘Super-Earths’ Spotted Around Nearby Star

    The spacecraft needs a minimum of three reaction wheels to stabilize its position in space. NASA, however, proposed an alternate mission called K2. Simply speaking, Kepler now uses the pressure of the sun to stay stable, but it has to swing its view from time to time to make sure the sun stays out of its viewfinder.

    “It turns out that the new method is working almost exactly as well for bright stars as Kepler worked before its malfunction,” Vanderburg wrote. “This is not something anyone expected back in 2013 after the mechanical failure. Even the most optimistic estimates of K2′s performance were not that hopeful.”

    While Kepler isn’t finding as many planets today, Vanderburg points out the spacecraft also isn’t looking at as many stars. But the stars it is looking at under the new mission tend to be brighter (easier to spot) than the old mission. Bright stars are easier to perform follow-up observations, so this gives an advantage for confirming if the planets spotted are indeed real.

    NEWS: Kepler Has Discovered 1,000 Alien Worlds

    Among those follow-ups that Vanderburg looked at is the WASP-47 system, which has two gas giant planets orbiting very close to their parent star. The unprecedented “hot Jupiter” find could help astronomers figure out how big planets can live so close to their parent stars, because that’s definitely not the case in our own solar system. Another example is WD 1145+017, a white dwarf that may have a planet falling apart nearby due to the star’s gravity.

    “There are other stars with planets in here that we’re observing as well, and hope to study and learn more about in the future,” Vanderburg added. “Some particularly exciting research we would like to do is learn about the masses and radii of these planets. This allows us to know what the planets are made of — are they rocky like the Earth, or are they gaseous like Neptune and Jupiter? For some particularly special planets, we might be able to learn about their atmospheres, to find out what gases are present.”

    The new study is accepted in the Astrophysical Journal Supplement Series and is available inpreprint version on Arxiv.

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    President of the Sierra club (they love oil money) makes much blatherfest about global warming, but look at what happens when he is scrutinised by what I would call a complete idiot. The clima tards cannot even debate the most idiotic clown, like Ted Cruz <laugh>

    "97%" "97" "97%" is all he keeps saying when he has no answer <laugh>
     
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    Gavid Schmidt, the guy makes fraud GISS temp data for Obama, runs from debate, a NASA director, runs from a climate debate <laugh> Note the NASA director keeps saying I am happy to talk about science, and then doesnt talk about science at all<laugh>
    #embarrassing


    I Like John Stossel, he's nailed fake sincerity and the "I'm just standing her minding my own business" slighty bewildered act<laugh>
     
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    After all the billions we've been forced to "contribute" to the IPCC, we dont get to watch their conference, it is not televised, biggest supposed important deal in history, not televised. What have they got to hide?
     
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