Just looked at the odds on Oddschecker and see How Fury can be fighting again just 1 month after Klitschko I don't know but look at the relative odds. 7/4 against an "out of retirement" Haye and as short as 9/2 against Klits. Haye 2/5 to beat Fury. Klits 1/4
I think the Klitschko - Fury odds are pretty good, Vlad even at his age, is the man Ron. But I think Haye's 2-5 is a bit too cramped against Fury. Personal opinion though. As for the short turn around for Fury, it does seem too close. Maybe they'll push the second fight back a month or two. Thanks for the update mate.
Ukrainian WBO Featherweight Champion Vasyl Lomachenko last night made a mess of number WBO 7 ranked fighter Romulo Kaosicha, stopping him in round 10. Fighting for Bob Arum's Top Rank, Lomachenko won the WBO belt at only his third pro fight. Last night he made his third defence. And topping the bill that night in Vegas was the WBO Welterweight title bout between Tim Bradley and Brandon Rios. Bradley, a former long reigning WBO Welterweight champ, retook the belt from Rios who was making his first defence after winning the title from Mike Alvarado early in the year. Now under the guidance of Teddy Atlas, Bradley fought a much smarter fight, employing skills he's not used in a while. He boxed more. In finishing Rios, he sent the former WBA Lightweight champion into retirement.
What goes on here? --------------------------- This letter, written by Oscar de la Hoya, appears in the December 2015 issue of Playboy Magazine. Dear Floyd: You did it. You made it to the 49–0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky -Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio César Chávez—but who’s counting? And now you’re retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it’s for real. You’re serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I’m writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I’m not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it. Let’s face it: You were boring. Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge’s card Berto didn’t win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn’t have a chance. I think more people watched Family Guy reruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn’t mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it’s been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don’t have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don’t make it past round three. Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest “triumph,” the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao. Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that’s precisely how you want it. You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You’ve made a career out of being cautious. You won’t get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007—and I barely lost a split decision—I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saúl “Canelo” -Álvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight. Me? I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime. The evidence? I lost. Six times. After 31 wins, my first loss was to Félix Trinidad, and I learned a valuable lesson that is true both in the ring and in life: Don’t run. I didn’t stop taking on the best of the best. After beating Derrell Coley, I took on “Sugar” Shane Mosley at the height of his powers—undefeated and considered by many to be the pound-for-pound best in the world. Again, I lost. After four wins against more top-ranked fighters I took on Mosley again. We can debate who actually won the rematch, but the judges had me losing that one as well. Did I go easy after that? No. I moved up to middleweight to win a belt and faced one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Bernard Hopkins. After a body shot that I’m still feeling took me out of the fight, I took on two more guys at the height of their power who, many years later, would finally face each other at the ages of 36 and 38—Manny Pacquiao and you. When fighters do that—when they risk losing—that’s when everyone wins. The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It’s too bad you didn’t do the same. You took the easy way out. When you weren’t dancing around fading stars (show idea for you: Dancing Around the Fading Stars), you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren’t your caliber. You’re a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don’t test it? Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there—tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams—but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star. Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created “Money” Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he—and Golden Boy -Promotions—came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn’t even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I’ve seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn’t have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you’re someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don’t have to say anything to prove themselves. You’re going to have a legacy. You’ll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We’ve already forgotten them. Now that you’re stepping aside, attention can be turned to the sport’s real stars: the brawlers, the brave, the boxers who want nothing more than to face the best and therefore be the best. There’s Canelo, Kazakh KO sensation Gennady Golovkin, ferocious flyweight Román González, slugger Sergey Kovalev and a host of up-and-comers including Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman. Want to see what a monster fight looks like? Canelo takes on Miguel Cotto on November 21. It won’t do 4.4 million in PPV buys, but everyone who watches it will be thrilled. And that’s no empty promise. You’re moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act. I’m sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. To get out of the gym and spend time with your family. But I’m wondering what you’re going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you’ll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you’ll wind up back on Dancing With the Stars. It’s a job that’s safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you’ve been doing for most of your career.
Is the long lead up to the Klitschko fight finally getting to Tyson Fury? It just may be. His long religious rant an matters of abortion, homosexuality, ****philia and witch craft point towards something being amiss with the big Mancunian. He's stated that Armageddon may only be a few years away. In the interview with Oliver Holt, he stated. "Goliath was a champion, a monster who had never been beaten, and then this young guy, David, came forward, a child who believed in God and did it, God gave him the power. What was right will always prevail over wrong. Good will always prevail over evil. I see that in me versus Klitschko. To be honest with you, I know Klitschko is a devil-worshipper. They are involved in bigger circles and stuff like that and they do magic tricks and whatever. You can go on YouTube and watch them playing with magic." "All these rock stars and singers and these famous people, it is common knowledge that they are all involved in an occult group of Satan-worshippers and all that sort of stuff. A man who does evil things and worships an evil one, how can he win over a man who wants to do good things and preach good stuff?" If the sullen and broody man in the pics taken during the interview shows up on the night, Fury will be for a world of hurt. He does seem to swing between extremes though, so there is every possibility that on the 28th, he'll be firing on all cylinders. If he's on a high, win, lose or draw, he'll make it an entertaining night.
This Saturday night in Vegas, real time boxing returns to the sport. The WBC Middleweight Champ Miguel Cotto steps into the ring against the Mexican superstar Saul Alvarez. The winner will have to put the belt up against the big punching Russian Gennady Golovkin, the holder of the WBA and IBF Titles. Golovkin comes off the back of the big clash where to took the IBF belt from the brave Canadian David Lemieux with an eighth round stoppage. These fights are an effort to unify the Middleweight Titles. Both Cotto and Alvaraz don't want to fight at the 160 pound limit, but Cotto has agreed to put the title on the line at catch weights. They'll do a 155. The Champ Cotto will go into the bout the outsider. Early on, he won the WBO Super Lightweight Title, a belt he defended 6 times before giving it up to take a crack at the WBA Welterweight Title. After that win, he ended up losing it at his 5th defence. He then won and lost the WBO version of the belt. He moved up a division the win the WBA Superwelter Weight belt. Then up to Middleweight, he won the WBA title. He's a bit on the small side, so Alvaraz is expected to be too good. God I hope Cotto can get it done, but either way, neither he or Alvaraz has shown too much interest in Golovkin of late, and who can blame them? The winner of the bout is mandated to fight GGG, if not they risk being stripped of the Title. Big times ahead.
After Cotto refused to pay the mammoth $300,000 to have the WBC Middleweight Title fight sanctioned, (what a rip off by the WBC) he was stripped of his title in the lead up to the Championship fight in the US. This meant that Cotto and Alvaraz fought for the vacant title. Alvaraz paid the fee before the fight to get a chance at lifting the belt. The bigger and more powerful challenger proved too strong for the more nimble Cotto and took the belt by a wide margin, 117-110, 118-110 & 119-109. Social media were surprised at the points difference. Most thought it much closer, but with Alvaraz still winning. Things are now pretty much up in the air, as Alvaraz has been given 15 days to sign for the Golovkin fight, but the new WBC champ has in the past, not shown too much interest in the bout. He's a middleweight who doesn't seem to want to fight at 160, the real weight, at least not against Golovkin. If he doesn't sign, there is every chance that he too will be stripped of the belt. Looks as though Golovkin has them all on the run. The aging Cotto took home $15,000,000 while Alvaraz received $5,000,000.
Interesting if very predictable result last night . Would be amazed if canelo stepped in with GGG. Golovkin has far too much power and accuracy for Canelo anyway .
Cyc, you know of any free streams that are to be showing the crazy circus that is Klitschko/ Fury next weekend ?
Hopefully the app universal hd tv will have it, lost a lot of stuff over the last couple of weeks but still have a lot of football and all racing on it
It'll be hard to find one Dancer. When the time comes, you have to hunt around, but with such a high profile event, hopefully we can get it done.
Well Fury has arrived in Germany and feels that he and his crew have had a faultless preparation. He thinks the local officials will not give him the nod if the fight goes the distance, (a point of view held by a lot of folk) so he's hoping for a knockout. He stated that he'll have to fight 5 people on the night, Klitschko, the ref and the three judges. Vlad has recently signed a 5 fight deal with the German tv company RTL. Obviously Klitschko must believe he'll have a win against Fury and hopefully won't need the score cards, but he must feel comfortable knowing he has the "home" support.
Yes. Fury will have to win by a stoppage if he is to win. So after a few rounds (if it goes a few rounds) we'll see if he still has the will to win. If he feels he can take Klitschko's punches he will go all out for the knockout. However, if he finds he is getting hurt every time he attacks and decides to play a boxing game, keeping out of reach, he may as well not bother to get off his stool. I'd like to see him put Klitschko under pressure as that is the only way to beat him.
I think he'll be moving Ron. The vids show Fury to be pretty quick on his feet and will probably stay that way if it goes the distance. Klitschko didn't look at any stage like he's put away Bryant Jennings in his last fight. And Jennings was a lot shorter and a stone less in weight. Most of Klitschko's bouts have been a boring as bat ****, I don't think that will be the case against the Englishman. Fury will look ungainly, but he's clever and will land a lot of stuff. His one weakness is his lack of explosive power. If he finishes Vlad, it will come with a gradual beat down. He'll probably go the same way as everyone else in the last 9 years, but I'm hoping like crazy he can make a real fight of this. Something heaps of fighters, including Haye, have not been able to do. Go the Pommie.
Haye was too small and outreached. Haye was a very good fighter but when you are so outreached and dwarfed it makes it very difficult. If he did have a broken toe it wouldn't have helped but I'm not sure it would have made much difference. Fury won't be dwarfed or outreached so it will be interesting. I think the early rounds may be a test of who has the best (quickest and effective) jab. Once that is decided, the right handers will start coming, someone will be backing off and it will just be a matter of time.
