Paris - breaking news

This all started with Bush and the fall of Saddam Hussain, Yeah he was an animal and did some unspeakable things and he truely deserved to die, but he kept that whole area in check.

Im honestly of the opinion that we should get one with our country and let others get on with theirs. We joined the US with their invasions of the middle east when we should have just let them get on with it. We have enough of our own problems without the need of taking on others issues.

I think UEFA need to start considering where Euro 2016 should be held as France may not be a viable option for much longer. Especially as terrorists are trying to attack stadiums and places full of people.

The situation will only get worse, I think if we were aware of how many attacks were foiled in this country, none of us would go out. More attempts will be made, more incidents like Paris will occur, more innocent people are going to die and our govenments have no real hold on the situation.

One of the suicide bombers outside the stadium passed through Greece in October, How many people passed through Greece, even if 1% of them were terrorists, thats a massive issue. Theres no way of tracking/finding/preventing them.

 

We have the security guy at the Stade De France to thank for their not being more casualties. Had the suicide bomber got inside [as was his intention apparently] then the death toll would have been thousands. I agree. I think France has a real problem with extremism. Not just refugees, but extremism from within their own banlieue [suburbs.] It's not immigrants as such that are the problem there. It's 2nd and 3rd generation relatives. The young of France from the banlieue that are isolated from mainstream French society. Those disaffected are easy targets. It's no surprise that those linked with terror are largely of Algerian and Tunisian descent. France is fighting Islam at home, in Syria and Mali. That makes the potential for further attacks real. Not just in Paris, but in large cities like Lyon and Marseilles [which has a massive North African immigrant community.] Not all are terrorists of course, but the few that are pose a major risk. It's not just France those - Belgium has a massive problem, particularly in the poorer areas of Brussels and Liege. I hate to say it, but the lack of integration is the catalyst.

In terms of the UK. The threat is very real. Those that don't believe that ISIS are hear already are delusional. There is radicalization going on all over. London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, everywhere. We don't know how many plots have been foiled. We probably don't want to know, because as you say, we wouldn't leave our homes. There will unfortunately come a day when all the intelligence and policing in the world won't help. ISIS will strike. When they do it is going to be carnage. Until we take care of the problem in the middle-east and wipe them out, we are sitting on a time bomb. The Euro's next year are the perfect chance for them to strike. Whether that be in France or the UK. France will be on high alert, the UK? With attention focused elsewhere the net may slip. I hope not.

 

If you visited certain parts of middle Brum you wouldn't believe the **** you would see.

 

Been through on my way to West Brom.. Warzone in the making sums it up. Parts of London like that too.

 

You mean like Villa Park?

 

There are worse areas mate. Aston wasn't always such but there you go. In Birmingham when the word 'diversity' is used in tends to mean no white people. The failed experiment of Multiculturalism is more than apparent in the cities. Ghettos rise, communities crumble. North Birmingham will be the same in a few decades.

 

I used to work in Cotteridge, going out to people's homes to give them quotes. Always dreaded a call to somewhere like Small Heath. Lots of nice places still though, and to be fair I never came across more twats there than anywhere else in the way they treated me.

 

The regression is horrible to witness. More Pakistani muslims move into my area every year. They take without asking, have no respect and I will give it a year or so before I move. I feel sorry for my Sikh neighbours. Good people, with respect and dignity. They hate them more than I do.

 

for two?

 

multiculturism and integration isnt working, but its all too late its all a mess.

Some areas you wouldnt dare walk at night. We don't acknowledge or say morning or converse with neighbours. We have no sense of community, instead, we have high rise flats, concrete everywhere, people really fighting tooth and nail for property/jobs, Millions of people claiming benefits making it impossible to determine who is entitled and who is playing the game.

Whilst our Government really dont give a flying F, there too busy cutting themselves in to deals with bankers or foreign investors, selling of public services and making commission from it. Back handers.

This Country is in a downward spiral and even though at 27 I have it tough, I worry for my daughter, by the time she gets to my age its only going to be worse.

 

To quote Russell Howard - It's not all doom and gloom. I used to think the same in the 80s when we had regular riots on the street, businesses burned and your car nicked every couple of weeks (we once had three cars stolen in a month and we lived back to back with the west end police station). Back then there were loads of places you genuinely couldn't walk safely at night. These days there aren't many parts of Newcastle I'd feel genuinely scared walking through. You don't often find trouble when you're not looking for it, though it does happen.

I think there is always a tipping point where the majority of decent people decide enough is enough and that they don't want to live like this. Most people, whatever their background, just want a safe place for their kids to grow up. Sadly it takes things getting even worse before they get better. But when they do get better a new danger or problem comes along.

 

I dunno mind. Byker estate at night is pretty rough. That place is quickly turning into a ghetto.

 

I've never had to walk through the heart of the estate at night, but if I miss the last Metro I've had to walk through Byker on my way home and never been overly concerned. It is possible that I was just too pissed to notice though

 

Grew up there in the 1980's so thought it wouldn't bother me. Walked through Raby Street along Gordon Road at night a few months back. Never again. Edge of the estate on the other hand is fine haha.

 

You'd sharp know if Spuggie jumped out of a dark alley at you though.

 

None of this started because we the west did something.

This started around the 8th century.

Go ask a muslim cleric, if they're honest they will probably say, violence isn't the way of islam and so on, BUT the people that were hurt or killed are in part to blame because they put themselves in harms way, being out drinking, having fun, mixing with women on a friday night. That's it in a nutshell.

There's no question about us westerners accepting muslim people, especially in the UK, hell in 3 generations, muslims will probably outnumber britons. But muslim people don't tolerate our way of life, and the more religious they are the less tolerant they are of our values and way of life. That's the conflict right there, and it will continue. Either we change and all become muslim or there's a fundamental effort by muslim people to accept us ... before either happens the conflict will rage on and it will turn really nasty if attacks continue. We're only 70 years on from brutal radical nationalism in europe and I can see it making a return in some shape or form if the current climate of conflict continues.

Spending millions to survey 500 or 1000 known radicals is a joke. They should be rounded up and made to live under supervision having to report to a safe house every night and wear foottags. Personally, I can carry it on my conscience that the civil liberties of a few hudred guys, who are most likely complete assholes are sacrificed if it prevents carnage in our nations.

We've just become naive. When there's a war going on you don't allow people from the nation you're waging war against to enter your nation freely. That's not how you wage war.

 

There will come a time to decide in a few decades, maybe less, for the left/liberal types to take a stand. Either fight against this religious fascism or except dhimmitude. I fear many will prefer the latter.

 

I know a few muslims and they are as moderate as you could get. They are second generation and don't have any wish to live under sharia law as that is what they escaped from back home. I think you will find that the majority of muslim people are the same. Unfortunately, a few power hungry extremists would rather impose their ideology on everyone. That being said, it is that minority that will give rise to a massive increase in nationalism the likes of which Europe won't have seen in a very long time. Fascism and Neo-Nazism are rearing their ugly heads in Italy, France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Scandanavia, Greece and Spain, partly due to economic reasons, largely due to the immigration policies of Governments. We aren't excluded from that. The last election saw UKIP hit a nerve by creating a distaste for the EU and a mistrust of immigrants. The ISIS attacks and refugee crisis are going to tip things over the edge. We are on the verge of a massive change. It's not going to be pretty either. There is going to be a clash of cultures that is going to turn nasty.

 

Just ban all religion it's all nonsense anyway.

 

It is possible to be a left/liberal type and to want to fight against the extremist scum behind these attrocities