Over half of all white "immigrants" to the English colonies during the seventeenth century consisted of convicts or indentured servants. ie prisoners or people enslaved to "pay debts" that never seem to get paid. Those convicted of "disloyalty" to King james were shipped off to the new world bar some more well to do Irish "dissidents" who served time in jail in ireland but the plebs caught in the net were shipped out to serve their sentences as slaves, in perpetuity. It was only later that they turned to African slaves, especially when the disease they brought to the new world in some cases wiped out 90% of the natives.
Mate this is a picture of the authors, Don Jordan and Michael Walsh - please log in to view this image They are two white documentary producers who live in London. As I said what they wrote is largely myth. Yes there were Scots, Irish and English taken forcibly to the US and Caribbean but not anywhere remotely on the scale either in numbers or harsh treatment dished as their black counterparts.
http://trianglebelowcanalstreet.com/2015/02/04/how-blacks-have-irish-last-names/ I don't see any authors names on this. hundreds of thousands were sent to work in the West Indies and they blended with the black slaves thus we have Irish names like McFadden, McDonalds, etc. Would lead one to the assumption the author is in fact a negro. Not 2 elderly white chaps. But maybe you're right I just thought it was an interesting piece.
What you have c&p'd is on the net on various websites and it's from this book please log in to view this image Using the words 'we have.... ' is a very academic way of writing, its an alternative to 'there are' I wasn't trying to have a go at what you posted btw, and as you say it is really interesting because although I know about it from having studied it, I guess not many people are aware that whites were sold into servitude and certainly nobody ever gave a second thought as to where Eddie Murphy, Dizzie Gillespie and Beyoncé Knowles got their surnames.
James II was 7 years old in 1625. He didn't become King till Jones is also a common surname amongst black people I believe. Quincy Jones, James Earl Jones etc And Dixon as well.
A lot of slaves took their masters surnames but most, once free, chose their own names so there's a lot of Washingtons and Jeffersons as a surname and names from nature like Rivers or Banks, or local towns or whatever their occupations happened to be. The most common black names in America are more or less the same as the most common white names with the exception of German sounding names.
Not me 'misplacing' James II as passing laws eight years before he was born. And go on, I dare you. In all our communications, when have i ever got a date or event wrong? You, on the otherhand, get your World Wars mixed up, your Bushes confused and extensively quote the aerodynamic reasons why a 737 couldn't have crashed into the North Tower, when 737's weren't involved in 9/11. This sweeping generalisation school of history belongs in the bar rooms of Boston and, conversely, in the leader columns of the Daily Mail. Big claims need big evidence, and by big we don't mean pages and pages of cut and paste, photoshopped videos and completely uncorrelated graphs. Not when you and your acolytes can't even get the right war or monarch (or in some cases) century.
I know. Washington owned slaves from the age of 11 when his father passed and left him slaves as his inheritance. Virginia law prevented the emancipation of slaves so the only way to 'get rid of them' [hate the way that sounds but can't think of how else to describe it] was to sell them on, which he did. However, his efforts in prohibiting slavery made him beneficent in the eyes of the slaves which is no doubt why they wanted to call themselves Washington.
This is my observation too. (not data backed but personal observation). I live in a town where blacks make up the majority and I haven't noticed many Irish last names of blacks here. Actually thinking through the people I know... I can't think of one. A lot of them have early presidential names. Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Adams. "Black" and "White" seem pretty common surnames too. Other than that. Most of the last names are English sounding. Probably different in UK where blacks wouldn't adopt US president names.
Not enough to know that King James didn't ascend to the throne till 1685, some 60 years after he made this proclamation He would have been little more than a toddler in 1625
Depending on which study on the subject you want to believe (and there have been quite a few). The average "black" person in the US has between 1/5th to over 1/3rd their dna as "white" origin. Average study puts it at about 25%. There's a lot of "white-blood" in American blacks. Definitely evidence slavers bred a lot with their slaves. That probably amounts to a lot of mass rapes of slaves.
For sure, but that wasn't the point. The point was the irony that freed slaves often adopted the names of presidents that were, in fact, slaveholders. Didn't Ali change his name from Clay as he he perceived that to be a 'slave' name? And to return to point made previously about mulattos and interbreeding, I cite no greater authority than George McDonald Fraser and the Flashman books (yeah, academia at its best) that the practice of slaveholders and their drivers impregnating their slaves to produce highly valued house-servants was widespread. But far-fetched to claim that this was all the result of equally abused African and Irish slaves finding lurve in the plantations. And btw, as with Australia and the earlier land clearances in post-Jacobite Scotland, )and later, the Tolpuddle Matryrs) the practice of the Crown transporting and exiling its 'enemies' (as with done by the French. Spanish and even the Romans with their particular empires) was not something peculiar to the downtrodden Irish. Enough wicked and barbaric calumnies were inflicted upon the Irish without the maudlin status of the biblical Jews being attributed to them.
Although there have been black communities in the UK going back as far as Roman Britain, and a relatively small presence with the slave trade, the biggest influx was from the West Indies after WWII. So I guess most black surnames in the UK are of West Indies origin. Unlike the US, there doesn't seem to be a dedicated listing here. But I'm guessing not too many would have US presidents names.
I genuinely didn't know that about king James. .. truth is I couldn't give a flying **** about history before 1845. The Famine pricked my interest and I studied from there on. As I said in an earlier post , I only posted it as I found it interesting not as a woah look at the poor Irish. On a lighter note. .. **** yourself
Mate if we all watch the exact, same football match and can come up with 1001 different stories on what we saw - imagine how many opposing views history brings up when we can't go back and rewind the video.
