I think he's one of three, maybe four, actual genuine potential future managers. Those being Guardiola, Giggs, Simeone and the maybe Blanc. Forget the other merry go round ones, those being Ancellotti and Mourinho specifically. I think I'd cry if either became our manager. I really don't know much about other up and coming managers, being as you have to earn a 'right' to manage United and the players won't 'respect' certain candidates I would say the list is very short. Some of the names Treble mentioned I've never heard of to be honest. Koeman is another though. However, he falls into the Moyes category of never having won anything and has only previously managed a 'small' club so he's no rights or respect, right?
As was shown with Moyes, a massive part of the OT job is dealing with the scale of the club and being able to juggle all of the huge demands (sponsors, commercial, media etc) and still have the focus to manage the team successfully. SAF was able to do this because these elements grew around him as he fashioned the club over 26 years - he didn't have to deal with them as is when he joined from Aberdeen. Moyes was clearly shell-shocked when he arrived and I believe it has taken LVG some time to adapt to the scale of the operation too. If Giggs were given the job, this aspect of managing the club is already known to him, it's in his DNA, so more than most candidates he can get straight to work in dealing with the playing squad who appear to be like a pack of dogs straining to get off the lead. With Mike Phelan or Rene (Carlos) back in the fold to help guide him, I see Giggs as the best option.
If the next manager is Giggs or whoever else, the job should be focussed on the first team. Nothing else. Fergie was doing the jobs of a dozen staff. In this day and age, an impossible job. He will need very experienced coaches and managers around him. Will he have the ability to lead such a team? May be but he will need to be strong and withstand the criticism of every tom dick and harry when things do not go to plan. The press, the media, the ex-players like Keane (because Giggs is his friend I'd expect Scholes to keep his trap shut ). He may be able to do it but it is about the ability and self confidence to lead such a high profile club in the 24/7 full glare of the world media.
Maybe, but you also have to look at how many managers in general, experienced or otherwise, jump into a top job and are really successful. One look at Real and Chelsea's policy of picking the next available manager with decent experience and a nice CV shows you that they are no more guaranteed to be a success than former players. Or any bloke who's a bit handy with FM based on some of their efforts...
I think Giggs is quite a cold character who would handle that side of things with a fair amount of arrogance.
Who ever we get there will be a reason to criticise. I big well established name would buy himself more time on reputation alone. As VG has. If giggs got it and the team didn't perform well, as under moyes I doubt it would be tolerated for long. An all the lines of he should have earnt his stripes at a decent club before taking the step up blah blah, Also with giggs he isn't exactly vocal in trying to get us to play the 'United way' under VG If we get an up an coming manager that may not have won anything but got an average team playing way above where they should be.. Ie Koeman, bilic they'd probably have the same treatment and it would be were too big a club for them this early in their career. Basically it's a bit of a poisoned chalice. Where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I personally don't see giggs as our next manager. Could someone like Koeman or bilic do a good job. Probably. Would pep do a good job.. More than likely. End of the day, football doesn't have a big bearing on my life anymore. I'd like to see us do well and get a genuine long term manager and rather not see us as a circus act club like Chelsea and Liverpool.. (Though I think klopp will be good for them) though if we do have giggs he'd get bombed out within a season if we were **** and would turn us into a circus act. Anyway this probably makes no sense and I am rambling whilst sat eating chilli at the back of my office typing on my phone...
Giggs being Giggs would buy him time from the support. Not sure on the media but that shouldn't be considered. It just seems to me that certain parameters have been put in place, for some reason, following of from Moyes and it really limits the options; Managed a big club? Won something? Will squad respect? There's only four names have all those criteria. Ancelotti and Mourinho and Guardiola and Simeone. Everyone else doesn't qualify. In the case of Ancelotti and Mourinho the likelihood would be 'look, he's just been sacked from his latest job, we'll now give him a try'. Well, **** that. Both are non starters for me. As it stands this is all leading to two people; Guardiola and Giggs. Whether Pep comes first followed by Giggs I do not know but I am more or less certain Giggs won't have to go off and do some arbitrary job somewhere else just to 'prove' himself. It's Ryan Giggs for **** sake. van Gaal is currently putting the club in a position where one or the other smoothly succeeds him.
I get that. The parameters aren't set by me, more over the way other clubs owners act. It's a business. They act accordingly. Giggs may be amazing but I just don't see it. That's my opinion. I don't think he in someway deserves the opportunity on the back of retiring and being a number 2 for a couple of years. Yes there may be a degree of respect from the players due to his playing career. I just don't think that will last if the team doesn't play well. Respect should be earned whether that's from doing well previously with another club and a playing career. Who cares. The bit about winning something was mentioned as its what was banded about re moyes. He had some well but hadn't won anything. It's having that winning mentality. Giggs had it as a player. Whether he can transfer that into management who knows. Lots of better players than him haven't managed too. It's like it's his God given right to do the job because of his playing days that I find annoying. he doesn't have the right and I don't think he has earned that right by being a bloody good servant to the club.
Point 1 - who then deserves to manage United? And on what basis is it deserved. Point 2 - isn't this how job promotion works?
I agree to an extent. Though it's a bit more than a promotion. Going from being a player to managing the biggest club in the world. Yes he will have had a couple of seasons sat next to VG not imposing the United style of play on his boss. But I don't see it as a promotion. I see him going to a good club where he will be backed to a degree and do something good with them. Then he deserves his promotion. Up the levels to clubs of greater magnitude. Like most other managers have done. I'd love to be proved wrong. Maybe he will handle it. Wasn't pep just a under 21 manager when he took over barca? Having been there as a player?
