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Monk ...The perfect Storm

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by seabreeze, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. LIBERTARIAN

    LIBERTARIAN Well-Known Member

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    Why the need to mention my name in your post? Don't get above your station,proby,
     
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    Never bet your house on a football match, Roofer. Or be over-confident of winning any Premier League game (no matter who the manager is).
     
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  3. swanseaandproud

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    Its obvious there are Swansea fans hoping for Monk to fail, to the point they appear more passionate about Monk failing then Swansea winning. I have seen this happen with my club when AVB was here, fans wanting us to lose so he would be fired.


    Absolutely spot on there boss and it's good to see an outsider see what i can see..<ok> It's absolutely ridiculous to even contemplate sacking monk after the skill he has proven in being a really good manager in the making....well said Boss..<ok>
     
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    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    How many of you jumped out of your skin when you saw this like i did.....<laugh>
     
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    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    I for one are not looking for Monk to get the sack , far from it , the whole point of bringing Monk in as manager was to try and obtain some sort of stability in the coaching staff which was the one thing that we previously have not been able to achieve .The one thing I will comment on in your post is this
    "he has proven in being a really good manager in the making"… we'll have to see if he can turn things around and hopefully he can but regardless of who's wearing the managers suit , it's the Club which is important and we should never forget that . I hope the old saying " pride comes before a fall " isn't something that can be directed at Monk in the future .
     
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  6. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    Well seeing I just finished paying off my house last month Adam , I'll take your advise.
    I am not worried about Swansea this season whatsoever , this a fine group of players that's been assembled.
    If Monk doesn't work out someone will parachute into a great bunch of players.
    I am worried about Monk though , although he wouldn't have been in my top ten picks to become manager at the time , he is now crawling up to two full seasons of expierence.I hope he gets back on track , no ands ifs or buts.There is not a game I wished , or will ever wish Swansea to lose , unlike some ..daiswan..cheers buddy
     
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  7. LIBERTARIAN

    LIBERTARIAN Well-Known Member

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    You are fast becoming another Dai,making things up to suit your particular stance.
    Nowhere have I read a post wherein the poster wishes the team to lose.
    Perhaps you could produce some names,or better still,references to actual posts.
    If you are unable to do either,then you need to be a tad more careful with your accusations.
     
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  8. ValleyGraduate12

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    I think he's referring to the Hereford game when BR was in charge with Dai.
     
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  9. Terror ball

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    I'm not that worried about the threat of relegation either....we should be able to finish above Sunderland and Bournemouth anyway. Leaving us scrapping with Villa, Newcastle, Watford and Norwich.
    If I were putting money on it I'd bet we would be safe regardless of who is the manager.


    What I think we are seeing is what happens when we ditch our style, our attacking principles, for negative "the result at all cost" football.
    It was alright while we were sneaking wins and draws (a lot of them against the run of play imo)....some of you got very excited about it.....but when the results dry up for a spell the fan base get very frustrated with the product they are watching and all is gloom. **** me, even Dai had the knife out for Monk last Monday....or should that be "predictably Dai" :)

    Now we look like all the other Prem teams and our fans act like all the other Prem teams....if we win a couple the manager ****s smarties and if we lose a couple we need to think about replacing.
    On the way up I managed to convince myself that we were better than that.
    We have taken a wrong turn and lost something special IMO.
     
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  10. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    Super duper post terror , says it all really
     
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    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    Is someone capable of pasting Monks post game interview from the Stoke game on here ?
     
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  12. Terror ball

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    Video here: http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/swanse...678470/monks-swansea-are-boring-and-in-a-rut?

    Full article by Max Hicks who is now saying pretty much what I've been saying.....

    Garry Monk's Swansea are boring and in a rut with coach under spotlight


    Swansea have suffered poor results and performances since beating Manchester United 2-1 back in August but even worse than that, they have been boring to watch.

    It's easy to accept defeat when a swashbuckling side goes down in a valiant attempt to entertain, but recently Swans fans have had match-after-match of neck-stiffening boredom in a stretch built solely on defeats and draws.They are winless in six matches since Aug.30, getting dumped out of the Capital One Cup in the process too.

    Hesitancy has blighted the team's play and their loss of confidence could explain that. Retreating into your shell is a natural response when faced with adversity but that won't offer a solution to the issues faced. The justification is easy -- if you play a tough side, it's better to play safe and avoid getting thrashed. Similarly, if you are against weak opponents, it's still worth playing cautious if you're down on confidence as weak teams are dying for a chance to break their own bad run. They shouldn't be underestimated.

    However, it would be equally easy to justify playing high-energy, attacking football instead of such a pragmatic approach. A tough side won't be expecting all-out attack and you can catch them unprepared and maybe force an upset. Weaker teams will be expecting to get beaten, so attacking them early stops them from getting a foothold in the game.

    The latter case should ring true on Saturday, when Swansea visit Aston Villa -- one of only two teams with a worse recent record than Garry Monk's men at present, with Sunderland's four defeats and one draw in their past five enough to keep them bottom.

    Key to any Swansea victory is attitude. They haven't felt like favourites to win many games lately, but on recent form alone they have to be so ahead of the trip to Villa Park. The question is, will they play like a team expected to win?

    Last Monday in the 1-0 defeat at the Liberty Stadium, Stoke's early lead courtesy of Bojan's penalty compromised Monk's squad changes, as Andre Ayew wasn't given any space to operate centrally, a role in which he has excelled for Ghana.

    This week, Monk might opt to return to normal, with Ayew back on the right and Gylfi Sigurdsson restored to the hole behind the attackers. Swansea's problems seem as psychological as they are tactical, but the boss should still probably start Ki Sung-Yeung again and even Leon Britton might be considered for a recall. If any man can remind these players what the "Swansea Way" is all about, it is their mini metronome.

    Having said that, half of these players weren't around even two seasons ago, when Britton was more of a mainstay than a bench-warmer. This is definitely Monk's team now, built around players acquired during his tenure, and if they can't play for him, questions have to be asked.

    Monk has had to call speculation over his job "farcical," and it's not an ideal situation to be in; having to even discuss his prospects in the future, despite how perceivably ridiculous that may be to him.

    A Swansea win on Saturday should reassure the board against any drastic measures, but might cost Monk's counterpart at Villa his job. If Tim Sherwood is fired, it should at least serve as a timely reminder to Monk that this is still a results business.

    Even if he is struggling to produce results, he might at least have his side play entertaining football in the meantime.
     
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    Were you thinking of these comments?

    Monk calls for Swansea players to back themselves

    Garry Monk has told his Swansea City players they need to believe in themselves again after their winless run continued on Monday.

    Swansea City manager Garry Monk is desperate to restore his side's confidence after another below-par display in their loss to Stoke City.

    An early Bojan Krkic penalty condemned Swansea to a 1-0 defeat on Monday and they are now winless from their last six matches in all competitions.

    Monk acknowledged the difficult patch his side are going through following a result that left them just four points clear of the Premier League relegation zone.

    "We just weren't at the level we should be today and that's the period we have been in for the last four games or so," he said.

    "It is for me to work with the players very closely now and focus on bringing the confidence back.

    "It is not through a lack of effort or commitment – we had that and I never doubt that with these players – but that passing we do, we are normally so crisp and bright, that intricate passing in and around the box to create chances wasn't quite there. They know 100 per cent that's what they are capable of doing.

    "I wouldn't say it was a bad performance, just too many mistakes and that lack of brightness and accurate passing."


    Swansea finished with just two shots on target at the Liberty Stadium as Stoke held firm to earn all three points.

    Monk praised Mark Hughes' men, but felt his team committed a fatal amount of errors.

    "We knew they would come and play counter-attack and when they did we made too many mistakes in the first half with the ball," Monk said.

    "Simple passes went astray and they managed to get the goal from our mistake and that made it even harder.

    "Once they got the goal they defended very deep, they were very organised, really playing even more counter-attack because we were pushing. We left ourselves open and still made silly mistakes."


    The next opportunity for Swansea to reverse their fortunes is a match away to fellow strugglers Aston Villa on Saturday.
     
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    Monk has been far too quick to ditch both Leon and Nathan Dyer, and amongst his other substitute issues has resulted in loss of possession, further compounded with Gomis lack of quality, we are struggling now that Ayew and Gomis partnership is floundering..........<ok>
     
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  15. seabreeze

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    Well in the interview after the game on Monday , around the 45second mark Monk says and I'm paraprasing " Like I told the players we come in tomorrow morning and "......but he doesn't show up Tue morning and Later it's explained he had a pre planned family event .... Didn't sound like it from his interview.Somewhere between that interview , and Tuesday morning , Monk found out the board wanted him to take on a " Partner " coach and didn't show up Tue morn.
     
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    Partner coach?
     
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  18. LIBERTARIAN

    LIBERTARIAN Well-Known Member

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    That game was such a long time ago. I doubt he was referring to it.
    Nobody sane took Dai's post seriously.
    Was roofer even posting in those days?
    He was probably an apprentice roofer at the time.

    No,I think he was referring to more recent instances. Full of innuendo is our roofer.
    He could of course,clarify his post as requested,but he seems reluctant to do so.
     
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  19. LIBERTARIAN

    LIBERTARIAN Well-Known Member

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    Deja vu here,and lots of it.

    Laudrup was accused of swanning off to Paris in the middle of a crisis. He was vilified on here. He didn't go to Paris,but that didn't stop the attacks.

    It's sweetly ironic to see Monk,who possibly had a hand in Laudrup's departure, getting similar treatment.
    No mention of Paris as a possible venue for the "pre planned family event". Not enough class for that. More likely to be Pontypool.

    Don't you just love the intrigue?
     
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  20. LIBERTARIAN

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    Max Hicks is always good value,eminently sensible and eminently readable.
     
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