We need a tough guy in to sort the players and also tell short where he is going wrong so a yes from me but it's no longer who we want it's who is prepared to take it on whoever it is should be given time eve n if worst happens
The amount of managers that rule themselves out of jobs without approach is ten a penny. Look at Pardew. Managers are constantly turning down jobs before even being asked. Just the way the media work in targeting the managers they think clubs are targeting. Scurrying like rats for 'news'.
See the way I see it is this. We need a tactical genius who's also a tough guy. One is useless without the other. Kicking the team up the backside isn't enough when we're lacking the quality in areas we can't address till January(and possibly the whole season). Problem is no manager with those qualities would come to us. There's not a manager there who'd last 12 months imo. Apart from Bradley but even then it would depend on promises to not sack him when he took us down.
Seems like that is the case here too. I'd heard that 75% stat being quoted, and I thought it sounded too high, but maybe that's what people do think after all.
I'm on board with 'Big Sam'....will be interesting though if he does come in how the structure will be. That aside his past record of getting teams out the **** is what we need. He has a decent squad to work and maybe because Ellis's pants are around his ankles at the moment....he can squeeze him for striker, CB and LB.....
Don't really want him but agree, he will sort the defence out and could save us from the drop. Best of a bad bunch imo.
Agree with this plus the fact that he`s probably the only one we can get with any kind of credentials at all. He will demand assurances from Short, who, in turn, must deliver.
I don;t know how that will be measured - Everyone said that Dick was promised x, y & z but Advocaat himself said that he wasn;t promised anything. You wonder what might have been had Lombaerts not failed his medical! Had others we approached gone through (I know for certain there were 2 other players close to signing who, according to a mate who works at SAFC, would've improved the side) but they never got over the line. If Short says to Allardyce "What players do you want" and then goes and tries to get them but they don;t sign, who do you blame? Or if the players are of a Kevin Nolan quality? (I know he was OK in his pomp but he's as journeyman as O'Shea now and I can;t stand the chicken dancing ****er!)
Do you guys feel now that the next man you select as manager needs to be backed, regardless of whether you go down or not? It's becoming quite a monotonous cycle of sacking managers who appeared to have great potential, and seeing no long-term improvement whatsoever. Could you have stuck with Gus, PDC, O'Neill??? Has sacking them improved your position? Not really, it's a constant state of thinking no further than the end of the current season, no long-term plan. There has to come a point where you look further ahead that 6 months surely if this cycle's ever going to end?
I can`t stand Nolan either but if he stops us leaking goals, well, there`s your answer and, for obvious reasons he can do his daft chicken dance 20 times between now and the end of the season. I mentioned on another thread about the failed signings. Nobody`s fault if they refuse to come or fail the medical but, when it did happen they seemed to go straight fro plan A to plan D. Having said that I`ve no complaints (yet) about Borini, M`Vila, Toivonen or Lens. Shame they couldn`t get the same quality defenders.
You ask questions like the members of this board are the democracy behind SAFC. We're not. It's a dictatorship. Yeah, Short could have not sacked any of the previous 3 managers but chances are we would have been relegated. I thought the biggest mistake this year, given Dick said he was retiring and decided to only come back for one year, was not getting a club-appointed/DA-approved assistant manager/coach to carry on next year without missing a step and having to assess the squad all over again. now the cycle repeats. You can't argue ES's strategy has worked so far but much like Wigan before us we're getting closer to relegation every year and it will catch up eventually if something doesn't change. I would have backed DA regardless of where we ended up this year, and feel Es would have too (not on previous form obviously) He and Congerton would not let him go and hounded him to come back. Sick of the way managers/coaches have been treated by our club over the last few years. As a supporter I understand (and sometimes support) the decision to sack them but it can't look good to potential suitors
I'm well aware you don't make decisions for the club but as this is a message board I am asking for YOUR opinion and what YOU would do Thanks for the reply though. So say you appoint Big Sam tomorrow, as I'm hearing might be the case. If you're 5 points adrift with 10 games to go, would you back sacking him or would you be of the opinion that there comes a time you have to just grit your teeth and back the manager you've selected as being "right for the club"? If ES appoints Sam with no other job description other than avoiding relegation then that's a different matter, but I'd be very surprised if he does that.
Although I voted NO I'm not against big Sam getting it. Sam is 61-62 now so how long has he got left? Not sure who I want tbh it would depend on who handed their CV in. Pearson is a class 1 c*nt and a horrible arrogant tw*t but would sort the out the w*nkers we currently employ as players. But he's a big no from me. Rogers if he applied, again not sure. Dyche. In a few years time maybe. Bradley. I think not but who knows A continental manager mid 40s -50s yes. But who? PS. Plus if he wants Nolan here he can f*ck right off.
yeah it could depend on the remit. if ES does appoint SA it's on the proviso that we don't get relegated. running the risk with 10 games to go I reckon he'd pull the trigger again. would i do it? probably not, but only cos I wouldn't want yet another manager in one season. If he appoints eg. Bob Bradley I would give him the time needed to mould his own team regardless of where it took us. I've been saying for a couple of years relegation could well be good for us (we were a much better team the year following the playoff final) but as getting back up out of the championship is not guaranteed it's a massive risk to take especially with TV revenue coming in. the gulf between divisions will only get bigger.
Good points, grandpops. But I'll tell you what gets me. Some have commented about our 'lack of quality' in certain areas - fair enough. But those same freeloaders don't lack quality in the last six games of a season, do they? When they're staring a 40% chop in their wages next season, the buggers have enough quality to avoid it then - even at places like Stamford Bridge or the Emirites. O.k., they wouldn't be my first choice, but if Allardice or Peason come here, I won't be sorry either. Get smart with them fellers and you'll very soon be joining Chopra on Alloa Athletic's bench! And let's see what that wage cut amounts to, eh?
Absolutely, and, lo and behold, Fletcher is starting to put some effort in. Could his contract be due for renewal I wonder.
What worries me a bit about Flether's case is Yedlin. He's very fast and his crosses are impressively accurate. But they're also pretty uniform - usually in or just outside the six yard box, and usually either head height or a little higher. Those crosses are tailor made for Fletcher, and I can see him having a decent rest of the season. I just hope the DoF bears in mind that Yedlin is going back to 'Spurs next summer, and then Fletch will be back to normal. I don't want his contract renewing.
That's what I was getting at. I think if you go down the young manager route it would have to finally be time to back him regardless. Get someone in who you really believe is a good fit for the club and stick to your guns. People worry about going down, but teams relegated from the PL now have the best chance of coming straight back up, if they've spent wisely. I know the stats say otherwise but the spending power of a Sunderland in the Championship would surely make you favourites to come back. Going down was a good outcome for Newcastle in 09 and given that our club's are virtually identical in every aspect I'd expect the same for you lot. We didn't lose a game at SJP in the Championship. I think people underestimate how intimidating a 40-50k crowd can be to Championship level players. If your crowds stayed up I'd certainly be backing you to bounce straight back. Same goes for us if we go down this year, too.
