Off Topic Political Debate

I've just realised who you remind me of superhorns, Maggie Thatcher, detested by the vast majority of the nation, so full of her own self importance that in the end, her own party had to stab her in the back to get rid of her!

All that you accuse other posters of, you are guilty of yourself in spades,

God help anyone who doesn't kow-tow to the great superhorns!

 

I'm trying to avoid moving 20 tons of topsoil in the garden at the mo!!!

 

Ok. that's a good enough reason.

 

Thank you for being compared to the second greatest Briton, after Winston Churchill. I take it as a compliment as I'm sure it is meant.

 

It's just good to see a decent man with some integrity move to frontline politics for a while ...he contrasts nicely against the bloated , self serving, greedy , mealy mouthed , slimey Tories . ( is it obvious I'm not keen on the Conservative's ?)
I don't really think Corbyn has a chance . The media fill the mind's of the masses with so much nonsense , the bulk of Britain's population are so easily mislead , most have never had an original thought in their lives ...I include that lovely minority ... the smug , golf playing Audi drivers in this category .
Sadly , Britain is a deeply divided nation ...In part I place the blame for this at the feet of the greedy elite / tory party ......
Superhorn ....put that in your pipe and smoke it .
COYH's

 

Corbyn does not have a chance because the vast majority of the population find his policies unattractive. They do not want a puppet operated and controlled by divisive politically motivated union barons.

Britain is less divided now than any time since WW2. Much of the old 'working class' has merged with an ever expanding 'middle class'. The vast army of the self employed has helped this, I know tradesmen that charge £225 per day in the Watford area. The UK is probably the best country in the world to start a business with minimal bureaucracy. The credit for this is firmly at the feet of George Osbourne, an excellent chancellor.

 

Sorry, George Osborne

 

I'll try that again. In answer to the claim from Superhorns that Britain is less divided than at any time since World War 2. A claim which sounds strange considering that the division of wealth is more unequal than at any time since the 19th Century. A few questions. Was it socialism which lifted exchange controls, deregulated the stock exchange leading to a situation where London was to become the number 1 tax haven of Europe, which led to a proseperity totally dependent on financial services - which, ultimately, was built on sand ? Was it Socialism which destroyed whole communities in the north of England, leading to a depopulation which could only be balanced out by immigration (Liverpool lost 200,000 during the 80s) ? Was it Socialism which stole industries from the people and then tried to sell them back, those industries mostly ending up in foreign hands whilst at the same time trying to take the high ground on patriotism ? Was it Socialism which relaxed all opening hours leading to a situation where family life was destroyed for many people ? Is it a coincidence here that since the 80s many of our town centres have become the sole preserve of binge drinkers and muggers at night ? Was it socialism which led to a housing bubble putting house prices out of the reach of normal people ? Was it socialism which replaced the idea of a 'mixed economy' based on a Keynesian idea which worked, and replaced it with a neo liberal experiment which didn't - a philosophy which said that something could come from nothing ? I think the answer to all of these is no - so why does socialism have to defend its economic record ?

 

£225 per day does not make someone "Middle Class" ...
I'm alright mate , Golf playing, Audi man's ignorance / arrogance .
Tories are self serving parasites .

 

I'm sure a tradesman earning £40-£50k + a year, maybe his partner also working, would be able to compete for housing, whether rental or purchase with traditional middle class occupations i.e. teachers, middle managers, etc. They can also afford Audis and join private golf clubs. Some manage to educate their children privately as I witnessed in my children's and grandchildren's schools.

 

My suspicion is that as cologne has said before, how do you describe socialism. Far too many brands of it exist. Our President is a socialist, but a local who also describes himself and stands for regional office as such, is so far to the left of him that he has even tried to look like Lenin. I had a chat to him some time ago until he realized that I could not vote for him, but he honestly believed that if you continued to increase tax rates on the rich you could give it to the poor. What about those who had already left the country I asked rather than pay the increased tax? Let them go, they are not truly French, and tax the next tier. What if they leave? Tax businesses more. What if they shut and put more people out of work. Let the government employ them and pay them. This sounds like taxing companies out of business and let the government run everything. Yes it is, but as you are English you wouldn't understand. End of conversation.

 

Has he studied Corbynomics?

 

It's confusing Frenchie, there are actually over 30 distinct 'schools' of Communism. Socialism is one of these words which can mean whatever the user wants it to mean. Democracy can also have a shifting meaning, what is democratic to one person may not be for another - also the word Facist is often used as an insult to describe anything which we may not like. Racism is another word which is hard to pin down. With 'Democracy' everyone likes to think that they have it, yet nobody really wants to define it, in that case maybe the best way of stopping people fighting for something is to convince them they have it already.

 

I forgot to add that so far he has been unelected wherever he has stood.

Surely if there are over 30 distinct 'schools' of Communism, there are probably just as many democratic schools of thought as to the best way to run an economy in a modern world. Most people would prefer to believe they can have some control over how their money is spent rather than have a central body spend it for them. If you have that taken away from you, and feel that the amount taken is unfair, then you will never vote for it.

 

How can

How can a concept such as Socialism "do" anything? It's people fronting political parties in the guise of politicians that "do" things. Many of your examples are rather massive over generalisations and not accurate - for example the industries that were "stolen" from the people where never owned by the people in the first place and were stolen by a socialist government from their owners. It was a Socialist government that relaxed opening hours in the hope of bringing about a Cafe Culture. But I understand your position that a Socialist government would carrying on subsidising a industry to produce materials that cost more than imported materials - and when the Socialst leaders of those workers decided they want still more they could hold the rest of the country to ransom and that Socialist government would cave in . Why are you not honest enough to say that you are a supporter of State Socialism and that you believe governments should own the ability to create wealth and own the means of production.

 

You cannot buy enlightenment ...Some of us did not feel the need to buy private education for our off spring ... both daughters graduated from Oxford with good science degrees , lad got a 1st in his masters via Birmingham . All likely to do PhD's . All like their dad consider themselves working class and they are proud of it .
Tories seem to struggle with the notion that not all human's see accumulation of wealth and the purchase of the trinkets of "success" as the only path to a good , fulfilling and enlightened life .
Superhorn you come across as a somewhat shallow individual , just like the rest of your political tripe ..sorry tribe .

 

Seems a rather ignorant and arrogant response. Do you actually understand what a parasite is? My wife is teacher in a nursery school in a **** estate in a dump of a town, who has to put up with and witness things that most would not believe happen in this country in the 21st century - she drives an Audi. I wonder do you consider her to be bloated, greedy, self serving....etc. Your comments suggest that you struggle to have any original thoughts and just sprout the same old political cliches that this country have suffered from since the end of WW2.

 

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I grew up on a council estate ...and later a non planned change in circumstances, meant my kids grew up on a very poor estate ( don't worry if you imagine me to be a total leech , I was a owner occupier ) , according to the league tables my kids attended the second worst primary school in Buckinghamshire ...50 % special needs ..genuine poverty ,parent's drugs, booze and recently arrived non English speaking kids added to the schools challenges ...Guess what , it turned out to be an excellent school , a lovely fun place . I used to go in and listen to readers and run the gardening club ( a bit of a climb down for a former Rothschild head gardener ) .
Re your wifes charges ...those kids in the "sink" schools have no choice to whom they are born .. In addition your wife did not have to work there if she did not want to .
Your use of " **** Estate " and "dump of a town " reveals something of your inner self . I wonder if you consider the town of Watford a dump ?
I'm someone who firmly believes in the immense potential within every child . I would like all children to have quality education by right ...For me private education is divisive and elitist .
I stand by my comment's re Audi drivers ...in fact I will add BMW's just for the fun of it .
...More than happy to meet you at the Vic to discuss further re original thoughts ..next game for me likely to be West ham .
I do know exactly what a parasite is ..I studied biology and spent 30 years combating the things as a gardener ! Tories are parasites because they greedily want the nation's resources all for themselves ...yum , yum , yum ...money , money , money . blah , blah , blah .