Welcome to refugees

This debate isn't about immigration in general though, it;s about the refugee issue.

Refugees are people who need humanitarian help as they've had no choice but to escape their homeland. Let's be clear, these people are deserving of assitance, but I would argue that permanent residency in a foreign land is the best solution for all of them.

The UK needs to play it's part though and give refuge to a proportion of those who are genuinely in need of help, as it would be wrong to leave the entire burden on those with the closest borders. However, allowing open borders is ridiculous and we should always remain in control of the flow of people.

 

I do recognise that those who are pushing for the UK to do a bit more to receive these people at the borders and to take more refugees are viewed as being naive.

I for one would wish there would be more naivety and less cold calculated cynicism (or realism depending on who you talk to). Of course there needs to be political solution from all countries.

In the meantime, Britain has officially taken 216 refugess and Germany has taken 20,000. Of course these figures are understimates and likely to be larger but it provides an idea of the difference between the 2 countries.

And I do recognise also that we have to put in place systems that would differentiate real refugess fleeing war and persecution and death from those opportunist migrants from other countries who are jumping on the current bandwagon.

 

This is the issue I talked about. Refugees running from death and persecution. Not migrants from non-war countries.

 

The refugees issue can be the begining of the end of European Union, especially
if the burden is on few countries.
Greece have their own problem:you cannot ask them anything.
As for Turkey, I am sure if the refugees are willing to stay there or they are willing
to take any.

 

Why the **** is that so hard for some people to understand?

I notice, though, that Osbourne was decrying the Labour-led rebellion in the House four years ago against committing land forces and bombing in Syria. That was against Assad. Are we now proposing to bomb Assad, or is it Isis? Or both? Do we intent to install puppet governments there like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan?
That went well.

 

Can't resist adding this to the debate though:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ants-they-should-speak-american-10489231.html

So ****ing dumb, but undeniably shagable.

 

Really?

The only thing I'd do that with, is a shovel.

 

Clicked this story from that article http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...ect-ive-killed-a-man-10489195.html?icn=puff-2

 

He was on 5 Live with Steven Nolan the other night. ****ing hell, what a stereotypical drama-queen.

 

No, I must admit I fancy her. Not as much as 7 years ago, but there's still something 'Miss Ridgeway', my favourite primary school teacher, about her, if you know what I mean.

#fantasypervfuck

 

I prefer Miss Ridgeway myself.

 

Oh my god no .....................NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

 

The country is full, all public service are stretched to the limit, and then we get all these do gooders claiming we should invite more in, do our bit etc.
We already donate far more than most to overseas aid.This should be redirected to where it is needed.
Maybe what we donate to India should go to Syria etc, do India really need it, the country has a space program FFS
What there should be is a vote whether we should let them in, all those voting yes can have their income tax increased to provide the extra services required.
They need to be helped in their own countries, else everyone will just migrate to Europe
Not being helped by government but charities then each individual can decide the contribution they wish to make
Haveing paid my way for 30+ years in this country, the next time i experience say a several hour wait in A&E, i will like all the do gooders, sit there thinking, oh well, this must be because the system cannot cope,but at least the refugees have been helped.
Bit like the Greek fiasco, looks like i will work to 70 while they retire at 50, sit in the sun,with muggins here bailing them out.

like a rant,can you tell??

 

maybe you should ask my those services are stretched? Where has the money gone?

 

Foreign aid?

 

Exactly Diego
Charity begins at home.
If we didn't spend as much trying to sort other peoples **** out, and this includes the money spent on military action which has resulted in this
Trying to get rid of all these, dictators/tyrants has kind of back fired. They can't be that bad, nobody wanted to leave then!!
Just creating a void for worse to take over ie IS etc

 

and another thing whilst i am at it
If they really are true refugees, why risk your life even more by getting in a dingy to Europe
Just go to a neighbouring African country, or is that just as **** as your own country
Seems to be a bit more economical to me,or am i just cynical?

If war broke out in Liverpool,and you had to flee for safety,would you choose
1. Leg it to Manchester or Wales
2. Go to some exotic location where you would be welcomed with open arms looked after, given a house etc

 

Yep, I am told we have "child poverty" here and I know we have people sleeping on the streets I have seen them (in a supposed first world country). Perhaps we should try to look after them first and once our own house is in order we will be in a better position to help others.

I am very cynical about refugees these days, it always seems safety is not enough they want a better way of life and have no intention of returning once the danger has passed.
We have many Somalian " refugees" in Manchester, their country went through a terrible war the likes of which most of us will hopefully never see but, you have to ask how many "safe" countries there are on the African continent which are a bit closer than Manchester/England.
I know in many places the danger may not pass for years and people can't live in a camp for ever, I just fail to see why once people have reached a place of safety they then attack the authorities with demands to be moved to their "desired" destinations quicker.

 

Barbados looks nice

(not sure about the benefits system though)

 

Even the Syrians don't want to go there.