Aye this "Arab Spring" is going well - don't see Cameron, Obama and the rest of the w***ers mouthing on about that at the UN now do we
Its an impossible situation. We are so lucky and we don't even realise it. Makes you realise how much we owe to the brave people who fought in WW2. This could easily have been us going the other way if Hitler had won.
With us in Oz, they get to Indonesia, the biggest Muslim country in the world, then decide it's not good enough, hop on a boat and try to get to Oz! Indonesia is taking the piss, they don't stop them, just let them in, and say it's Australia's problem. Need to cut aid to ****in Indonesia, and tell Widodo to do one. If the boat people truly wanted to be safe, where they could still practise their religion and not worry about retaliation because they are Sunni or Shiite or whatever, Indonesia is the perfect place. Yet they want Australia cos they get handouts. Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk
A true story about a refugee/asylum seeker/unwanted person based on a Polish aquaintance's life story.. Born in eastern Poland 1930 and when the Germans attacked in 1939 from the west their allies Russia attacked from the east and occupied his town. Russian troops commandeered everything in sight and more or less left the local population to fend for itself. In the winter his grandparents and a younger sister dies from cold and starvation and when the International Red Cross visited the town he was told by his parents to join the children applying for aid. He and a younger brother were taken to a centre where thousands were allowed to leave by the Russian authorities (less mouths to feed) and he walked hundreds of kms to Iran where they were met by trucks and kindly British and Arab armies. Some time spent in Iran and India and eventually loaded onto a ship that ended up in New Zealand in 1944. He did not have the opportunity to return when the war ended as travel was not allowed by the Soviet controlled Polish government. No contact with parents or other family possible then and not able to find anything out when he returned to Poland in 1985. He made a success of his life and is a retired builder. He was a victim of changing times and international conflict, much the same as those seeking safety and happiness now. Maybe once the situation in the mid-East has calmed down they or there families can return to their home town and resettle. Maybe the refugees will be impressed with the kindness shown by Christians compared to their own kind will have a more profound effect over beheading's and raping's and a return to a lifestyle of a thousand years ago.
Why fairly distributed aroundEurope? They arent european. Why not fairly distributed to safe neighbouring countries and Arab nations?
Fairly distributed around the world then. Some of them just happen to be in Europe and, like it or not, as part of the EU we should be doing something about that even if people don't want the UK to help from a purely humanitarian point of view. There are plenty of them in neighbouring countries and Arab nations. Couldn't be bothered to look up the others but as of a year ago 40,000 in Qatar with another 20,000 on visiting visas so safe to say that will have gone up since.
Unitl the likes of Qatar, UAE, Egypt Bahrain, Iran etc etc etc aren't able to take any more then Europe shouldn't be considered. Wanting europe is luxury seeking not asylum seeking. Like we've llearned about that poor boy. He could surely have lived a good life in Istanbul (one of the most beautiful cities in the world) with his father. he was effectively killed by his parents
Plenty of yellow and green around. UK is 53rs most densely populated country in the world with the worlds 22nd biggest population. We are a tiny island in the grand scheme of things.
We are one of the smallest countries in Europe. We should only allow a small percentage in compared to Germany, France etc, if we must. However the fact that we cannot guarantee that a small percentage of these people do not want to blow us up, for the sake of our national security, we cannot let them in. If we let say 50K people in, and the one IS member smuggled in lops the head of one Brit then letting them all in would have been the wrong decision as far as I'm concerned. Then you have the people who genuinely need asylum. In an ideal world we could tag them as humanely as possible, let them stay until things settle down over there (hopefully), then are able to send them back at the earliest opportunity then it should be considered. However the fact that there is no way that we will be able to send them back makes me hope that we keep any refugees entering our country at a bare minimum.
Although the bbc spend a lot of time rooting around looking for women and children, when you see the pictures of the migrants they are almost all young fit men. If all our young fit men ran away at the start of WW2 where would we be now? These men should fight to get their own countries in order as has happened in Europe centuries ago. That little boy would have still been alive had they sorted the boat problem out last year, as would 100's or 1,000's of other migrants. That lad's father was working as a barber in Istanbul for a year, I don't reckon he was an asylum seeker fleeing for his life. Cameron's immigration policy looks to be changing because of a picture of a drowned boy. What about the 50 Christians thrown overboard by Muslims, no big deal made of that was there. It's all very well Germany saying we should take in more but the population density in England is double that in Germany, they would need another 86,000,000 to be as overcrowded as we are here. France would need another 182,000,000 and Scotland, another 25,000,000. When they have this amount of overcrowding then they can preach to us. Even current levels of immigration mean that we need about 300,000 new houses built every year just to stand still, we currently build 120,000 per year. We need another 10-20 hospitals built every year, another 300 schools and all the infrastructure to go with a population explosion being caused by this 'enrichment' we are having forced on us. I welcome some immigrants such as Ghurkas or Afghan interpreters but the mass invasion (that's what it is) will destroy England. Where will your children live, will they find work or be undercut, so many other problems, in the main caused by the religion of the permanently offended. Do you know that almost all meat is now halal. Because of their prolific breeding (like rats) we will be a minority in our own country (as London is now) by 2050. Then they can demand, and will get, more and more. Our only hope is that we win the inevitable civil war that will start when enough of the bovine population realise what the politicians are doing to us. I realise that this will upset the self righteous PC ones on here but is there anything in this article which is not true. Maybe you could answer a question none of the lefties will answer. How many more should we take in until you say it is enough and therefore then become a racist? 10,000,000? 50,000,000? I say we are full now.
You can't guarantee that every Eastern European/Irishman/Indian etc etc etc. isn't going to be a criminal. Immigration overall has hugely benefitted this country. We are almost all the descendants of immigrants. I certainly am.
Immigration is a different kettle of fish nowadays. Back then you entered a foreign country, kept your head down and worked your way into society, as it should be. That is definitely not the case now. If I decided to live in Iran/Saudi for example I know for a fact that I wouldn't even get treated equally, never mind treated better, so why shouldnt it be the same here? The country is full, we are struggling to cope with what we already have here. We are letting in a load of people where a reasonable proportion, at the very least, don't particularly like us. A large proportion of them will milk the system so that they get all of the benefits that the average joe can only dream of. A relation of mine works in immigration, benefit claims etc and she says that you would not believe the extent at how ridiculous the system is. She could not go into detail cos she would lose her job but said that the situation regarding immigrants/asylum claims and benefits is just the tip of the iceberg and that the population would be in uproar if the realised how bad it actually is. One typical example that she did say was that they would sit at her desk saying that they have about 8 children back in Afghanistan and were able to claim money for them! The thought of the money going out of our country and landing over there boils my piss. Especially as there are doubts that these children even exist. I have just found out that I have to pay for child care. Both me and my wife work, so fair enough. However a Lithuanian couple living a few doors down send their bairn to the same place. They both work but don't have to pay. Good luck to them, but how is that fair?? This is just a small typical example of what is happening on a much grander and widespread scale. I have no problems with people coming over here to better themselves and have jobs and a life waiting for them. There are already enough people over here, and I include Britons in this statement, sucking the life out of this country without us having to cope with more. It comes to a point where its gonna have to stop and that point is now. Like I say, I have fewer problems with keeping them if we could put them into camps, given good food, clothing etc, treated well, let them out on supervised day trips (conditions which are a thousand times better than the situation they claim to be escaping from). Then once the situation settles down then we can ship them back. However what will happen is that they will either disappear without a trace and/or take the piss out of the system, we will foot the bill, and we will not to be able to get shot of them.
the one IS member smuggled in lops the head of one Brit then letting them all in Refusing 50000 means a percentage of their lives are at risk if they're back in Syria. But even one terrorist concealed amongst them means 60.000.000 British lives are at risk. Of course the individual can't get us all, but he doesn't mind which of us he gets. The figures tell which option I prefer
Can we just address this point as well... How comes we are bending over backwards to facilitate a bunch of people who are choosing to go find a better life for themselves, they can fund themselves onto these boats which costs $1,000 per person most of the time, yet we don't offer to help out the starving Sudanese who are on the brink of famine and haven't got a pot to piss in? How many Sudanese kids are dying, I'd hedge a bet it's atleast a hundred times more than Syrian kids. Why do we continue to ignore African issues, with the exception of the Libyan and Nigerian ones who've somehow managed to jump on this refugee bandwagon?
We are not really talking about immigration anyway. Controlled immigration done properly with checks and boxes ticked, jobs lined up is fine......human trafficking, sneaking into countries, people making money at the at the expense of those who are desperate, is not. Allowing thousands of unknowns into this country will not be beneficial to us.
One way to visualise the 8,000,000 (government figures, so they are vastly understated, like the 15,000 estimate from Romania and Bulgaria) is to have the entire population of Austria, man woman and child, put into England. Also, the number of immigrants coming in since 1997 (Blair) is more than the complete total of all immigrants into England since time began. Cameron says there are too many white faces in the government and that he wants a Muslim a Prime Minister. This is where we are heading. I can't understand how people are so complacent about this. We are told we are tolerant. Tolerance means putting up with something you don't want and would be happier if it wasn't happening.
