I've just seen "Derby City"..........as angry as I was yesterday, and as angry as I woke up...it faded, i went to work, came home, then saw that video. I smiled. Pretty wide.
I admire the way Swansea have solidified themselves in the Premier League, they are the absolute blueprint. I think every single one of their signings has been really shrewd business, and you could say they are putting a lot of teams to shame. They were favourites against United who have spent an absolute fortune these last two seasons. Shows how far they have come. I think they may finish in top 6 this season, evolution not revolution despite changing managers a couple of times.
Spending big dosh don't equal success when will people get it Since the Wembley final we have signed 6 new players that's nearly 25% of the squad traded up and now need to bed in In any other business such a change in staff would be seen as reckless not lacking ambition, Just look at Quite Poor Results to see what "ambition" can bring OTBC
I think it's been shown very clearly that there is an exceptionally strong correlation between the wage bill and the league position i.e. the biggest spenders finish highest, the lowest spenders get relegated.
QPR?? Hull spent a lot too last year !! Think you will find at our level spirit and application rate as highly as dosh or are you saying we should throw £60 million away on a few undeserving ball kickers and go bust when they don't deliver?? We can't compete with the big clubs over the season just accept that I need the club to be here for my children and don't want it to end up like Leeds and Portsmouth
[QUOTE="stilljaroldcanary, post: 8335955, member: 1016233"]Spending big dosh don't equal success when will people get it Since the Wembley final we have signed 6 new players that's nearly 25% of the squad traded up and now need to bed in In any other business such a change in staff would be seen as reckless not lacking ambition, Just look at Quite Poor Results to see what "ambition" can bring OTBC[/QUOTE] So Chelsea and Man City would have won the trophies they've won in the past decade without spending big dosh?
Is Taribo West still available on a free transfer? (little joke for the old school Champ Manager players out there )
So Chelsea and Man City would have won the trophies they've won in the past decade without spending big dosh?[/QUOTE] so now we have to spend so big to compete with clubs funded by super crooks , give me the CCC anyday thanks I don't call that ambition
Blimey, calm down! I'm just saying that it's been shown that the correlation between wage bill and league position is exceptionally close - obviously it's not an exact match otherwise we'd all clean up at the bookies every year by predicting positions 1-20 in the right order. And I'm not suggesting we try and compete with the big clubs, far from it. I'm just pointing out that without taking some kind of risk, we aren't really giving the team much of a chance to succeed.
I'm very calm I'm not the one calling for the club to bankroll stupid spending I am happy and content with the clubs business to strengthen its the unrealistic demands of dreamers that need to be calmed down
Ok, but I certainly haven't demanded stupid spending, and I'm not sure anyone else has either. Do you seriously think a net outlay of £5m is realistic in terms of the money we had available and the spending of other comparable clubs? I think the issue most people have is that the club didn't succeed in bringing in the players they wanted, clearly there was far more money available to be spent, we just didn't do a good job of spending it.
Drink with a rabid swans fan, and tbh and what he ays as well they have a very good scouting/player apprasing netwrok going on, that obviously works well for them, but they won't overspend on a player, just move on and find the right one
I would always get Mutiu... you could sign him for non league he was championship level. Always resisted at first then would sign and be top scorer for three years before his legs finally went.
We are never going to compete with most PL teams in buying power. Regardless of the money involved, we should concentrate on the quality of players we've got in and how they fit into the team. Dorrans, Mulumbu, Brady and Mbokani have hugely strengthened the squad and Wisdom, Kean and Jarvis have provided options and cover for injuries while allowing flexibility for change in the future. We are now in a very strong position for January should we need to bring other players in. My only concern is at CB, where we do look vulnerable to injuries and suspensions.
I'm still very nervous and personally have serious reservations about whether or Mbokani will "hugely strengthen" the squad myself, I think some people are being a touch presumptuous about the impact he's going to have. Yes, he will give us another option by the sounds of it as he looks a beast, he certainly seems to pick up plenty of bookings so he's going to be putting himself about a fair bit, which is a good thing at least, however he scored just three goals last season - that's half the total Ricky did in a more competitive league! He's done all his big scoring in the Belgian and (to a lesser extent) the Russian leagues which surely aren't comparable with the Premier league so my concern is that he's going to be a bit of a flat-track bully - and there won't be too many flat-tracks around this year. From what I can find about him online looks like he hardly played last season, only eight games and I can't find anything about a long-term injury so two questions spring to mind: a) why did he play so little last season? b) have our scouts actually seen him play in the flesh, or did we base our scouting on videos and Youtube? I really do hope he does work out because we really do need a 12/15 goal scorer this season, and I honestly don't think CJ is going to return that many I just think it's a hell of an ask to expect Mbokani to do the business based on what (little, admittedly) I know about him.
There is always a gamble about whether a foreign striker can succeed in the PL. I think Jerome is capable of scoring 10-12 goals in the PL and I hope that Mbokani can do similarly. Unlike RvW, however, he doesn't seem to be a 'confidence player' or one who can only play in a certain way. Also, if he's an unknown factor for us, he's going to be an unknown factor to opposing defences.
I admire your optimism and positivity aorund what he can deliver Rick, I just wish I shared it, particularly as we've just jettisoned potentialy a stack of goals from our midfield.
I completely agree with you urging caution. We need to actually see him in action. But this is an unbelievably harsh comparison given that you even say he only played eight games! Mbokani managed a goal every 142 mins (i.e. every game and a half) compared with Ricky's goal every 318 mins (i.e. every three and a half games). I think Mbokani's record is a lot better here. I can't remember the details, but he definitely was injured at one point and then there was something about him refusing to play because of the war in Ukraine. I might have invented that bit, but I'm sure I remember it wasn't completely that he had been performing poorly. a) as above - I'm sure there is some info around b) good question. It was flagged up earlier in the thread that DHCanary found us linked with him way back in ?January 2013 when Mbokani was still at Anderlecht. There were a couple of rumours. I very much doubt we scouted him this year, but I think there's a good chance that we did some of our scouting back then and had kept tabs on him. Obviously they will have had scouting videos etc since!
That's all fair comment Rob - particularly the bit about their respective goals per game ratio where I was perhaps being a bit mischieveous. But even with all that in mind I'm finding it hard to comprehend why he would have been our number one target (or even just high on our list) in terms of signing a striker this window, especialy if we're basing our scouting on his performances from more than two years ago as a lot could have happened between now and then - just ask the Wolf
