Flintshire is skinny enough at just a shade of odds on isn't he ??? Is he a banker or are the likes of Red Rifle and Twilight Eclipse good enough? It's hard to gauge the form really. Twilight Eclipse was 3rd in a grade 1 LTO and his overall profile isn't great. I see around 15 thousand people came to view the Pharaoh just working out the American public have really taken to him and that's good to see, hard to imagine any horse here getting that turn out to watch them work! 1/5 generally tonight...point and shoot job!
Flintshire is 6/4 with Betfair now actually not the odds on like I posted above. Godolphin take the 2 big prizes at 'Wonderful Windsor' (it's the new Glorious Goodwood)...Racing History look's useful when he is able to get his hooves in, doing his big bro. Farrh proud there this evening,
I'm actually on MESSI 12/1 to land that race. Flintshire is a serial disappointer that lacks a gear so you'd need to be brave to back him at the prices tonight. Messi is being raised in class very quickly but he has the right European bred profile and Graham Motion has been persuaded to go straight for this after two very solid wins. Twilight Eclipse can follow him home having been unlucky not to collar Flintshire and Main Sequence in the Breeders Cup Turf.
Flaming typical today. Godolphin have become totally unreliable. I did not bother with Charlie Appleby’s first one at HQ and it wins. I backed his second one, Portamento, and Buick was clearly still drinking the Champagne from the first one as he gave it absolutely no chance right from the gate. At Windsor in the evening meeting, Racing History takes a big step up in class for Saeed bin Suroor and then Beautiful Romance romps home later dropping in class. As a very well paid up member of the Flintshire ‘fan club’, I would not have a penny on him tonight so watch him romp home.
Good luck TC not one to get involved in for me so I will just watch. Haven't the time to put any worthwhile study In on it at the moment. Ya should do the Messi double...he's trying his best to score vs Malaga right now too!
Evening all, probably a stupid question but how do you bet on the Saratoga races using the U.S. Odds?
Jockey kept it simple and ran out an impressive winner of that race. Well done Robbie. All in on the Pharaoh yeah ??? Each way of course
I did say he would romp home without my money weighing him down - watch him win the Arc on the wrong going and make Treve look like a selling plater!
American Pharaoh drifting to 4/11- didn't expect that. Can he shake off the trend of favs getting beat in this?
You would have to give Hugo Palmer's New Providence a serious chance in the next at Saratoga, took a slice of the 8's on offer. Not fully up to scratch with some of the Yank horses so I'm guessing a bit.
Beefy, it seems that the rule with you on the flat is that if a good or great horse gets beaten it is no longer a good or great horse. You should not mention that theory to Shergar! Brigadier Gerard must have been rubbish just like Golden Horn and American Pharoah. Now if we applied that theory to the National Hunt scene, there must be a huge list of unbeaten giants over the timber...
No, QM I said there are no champions. These are few and far between, and rightly so. Those lovers of hype, our friends the Americans, got their bubble well and truly burst last night in spectacular fashion. Theres a saying goes around that the ability of a true champion is to win not on their good days but to overcome and win on their worst days. We've seen two this week who were unable to do so, hence my comment 'there are no champions on the Flat'. With regards to the Flat, horses I'd call true champions are Frankel, Sea the Stars, Treve and the American filly Zenyatta who really should have retired unbeaten with a magnificent 20/20 record. Maybe there are others but off the top of my head those were first to come to mind over recent seasons. That's quite exclusive company, I'm sure you'll agree. In contrast we've had very good Flat horses in recent years like Kingman, Australia, Taghrooda all from last year but I couldn't call any of those champions. Nothing we've seen this year on these isles would be comparable, in my view, to even those from last season either. Half the time their looking for reasons not to run them, so how would anyone define that as a champion?!! Over the jumps we've got Faugheen whose a Champion. An unbeaten machine whose taken on all comers, over a wide range of distances. There are several who have the potential to become champions like Vautour and Douvan. What we witnessed in the JLT from Vautour was the performance of a champion. But the next stage is to show this over a period of time and that's the criteria the Flat horses generally fail. A horse whose demonstrated rare longevity at the top of his game for years is Sole Power but he's very much the exception to the rule. A proper champion should show some longevity, so Flat horses are at a distinct disadvantage to the National Hunt warriors. It seems the fickle Flat fans (or Americans) herald a 3 yo colt as a champion after only a handful of races as there desperate to claim one. Ridiculous. Look at other sports, they don't herald their stars as such after such limited evidence. It would seem very foolish and strange to do so. I'm 100% happy that my comment was bang on.
